[Six Nations 2018] Round 2: England vs Wales (10/02/2018)

[The5thOfficial]

Fewer, the penalty count shows our actions were penalized more frequently. The stats show us giving away 5 times as many penalties as Wales, does that sound even remotely accurate?

It all balances out. SO are you saying that 'penalized more frequently' means wrongly penalized? But then we had a non-try that was clearly a try. It balances out and like I've said countless times s*** happens.

 

[ncurd]

But then we had a non-try that was clearly a try.

Right decision, wrong reason.

https://twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962636592656605186/video/1

PS. I will post this everyt ime someone makes that assertion.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It all balances out. SO are you saying that 'penalized more frequently' means wrongly penalized? But then we had a non-try that was clearly a try. It balances out and like I've said countless times s*** happens.

I'm not saying us being penalised was wrong, I'm saying Wales not being penalised was wrong. There is quite simply no way Wales conceding 2 tries was in any way accurate. Also your try was correctly disallowed as shown above. This is not the first time English attack has been illegally halted repeatedly in the 22 without being penalised.

 

[The5thOfficial]

Right decision, wrong reason.

https://twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962636592656605186/video/1

PS. I will post this everyt ime someone makes that assertion.

LOL "right decision wrong reason" surely makes it a wrong decision! But it remains debatable like the penalty count.

 

[The5thOfficial]

I'm not saying us being penalised was wrong, I'm saying Wales not being penalised was wrong. There is quite simply no way Wales conceding 2 tries was in any way accurate. Also your try was correctly disallowed as shown above. This is not the first time English attack has been illegally halted repeatedly in the 22 without being penalised.

But we did only concede 2 tries!

 

[ThebigARena]

And if you want to be really picky does Jonny may actually ground the ball

Right decision, wrong reason.

https://twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962636592656605186/video/1

PS. I will post this everyt ime someone makes that assertion.

the question was on the grounding and he clearly grounded it ,however I didn't see may ground the ball in his 1st try if you want to be picky his elbow is clearly under the ball

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But we did only concede 2 tries!

You must be joking...

 

[Which Tyler]

LOL "right decision wrong reason" surely makes it a wrong decision! But it remains debatable like the penalty count.

Kinda - the decision is "no try; go back for the penalty advantage", but it's not debateable. The non-try was not a try, and the right decision was reached.

And if you want to be really picky does Jonny may actually ground the ball

the question was on the grounding and he clearly grounded it ,however I didn't see may ground the ball in his 1st try if you want to be picky his elbow is clearly under the ball

Dunno; haven't seen it questioned before in order to look into it.
No it wasn't. The question was on whether or not a try had been scored.

 

[ncurd]

the question was on the grounding and he clearly grounded it ,however I didn't see may ground the ball in his 1st try if you want to be picky his elbow is clearly under the ball

Rewatch the game the ref asks for check for the knock on and the grounding. The TMO quickly asserts it came off his knee (wrong as evidenced above) and then decides the grounding wasn't clear (also wrong). The TMO made a complete hash of it.

LOL "right decision wrong reason" surely makes it a wrong decision! But it remains debatable like the penalty count.

No it doesn't his fingers clearly bend backward due to impact of the ball (unless your suggesting finger naturally just bend backwards like that). The correct decision was knock on but go back for the penalty regardless of him getting the 'right decision' of no try you got the penalty you rightly deserved.

 

[The5thOfficial]

You must be joking...

Must I?

 

[The5thOfficial]

Rewatch the game the ref asks for check for the knock on and the grounding. The TMO quickly asserts it came off his knee (wrong as evidenced above) and then decides the grounding wasn't clear (also wrong). The TMO made a complete hash of it.
No it doesn't his fingers clearly bend backward due to impact of the ball (unless your suggesting finger naturally just bend backwards like that). The correct decision was knock on but go back for the penalty regardless of him getting the 'right decision' of no try you got the penalty you rightly deserved.

Nah, should have been a try and the English throwing confusion in to the mix doesn't alter that. If the TMO didn't spot the 'correct reason' that you guys point out, then it should have been a try. If every try given in every game was analysed and broken down like this one, the try count would be highly diminished.

 

[ncurd]

Nah, should have been a try and the English throwing confusion in to the mix doesn't alter that. If the TMO didn't spot the 'correct reason' that you guys point out, then it should have been a try. If every try given in every game was analysed and broken down like this one, the try count would be highly diminished.

The TMO didn't spot the 'correct reason' for the grounding either so therefore it shouldn't of been a try.

Defeated by your own stupid logic.

 

[The5thOfficial]

The TMO didn't spot the 'correct reason' for the grounding either so therefore it shouldn't of been a try.

Defeated by your own stupid logic.

Stupid logic of mass opinion - do you not read the papers and listen to the commentary? You guys are in the minority on this one. Strange but true!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Nah, should have been a try and the English throwing confusion in to the mix doesn't alter that. If the TMO didn't spot the 'correct reason' that you guys point out, then it should have been a try. If every try given in every game was analysed and broken down like this one, the try count would be highly diminished.

Yep, must be joking. So even when you can see there is reason a try shouldn't be awarded you want it awarded because it is a different reason to the reason given for denying? Unbelievable logic... First you lot whinge because the try wasn't analysed enough leading to a no try decision and then whinge when, upon further analysis, it is STILL shown to be no try.

 

[ThebigARena]

I'm convinced also Jonny may does not ground the ball inbthat first try every angle I've seen does not show the ball grounded he slide over with his elbow underneath he then gets up and throws the ball so by the letter of the law No Try! another one you got away with

 

[ncurd]

Stupid logic of mass opinion - do you not read the papers and listen to the commentary? You guys are in the minority on this one. Strange but true!

Either you accept the TMO misses stuff or you don't either way leads to no try. You can't have it the way that benefits only 50% of the decision making. You want the cake and eat it approach.

Also the media's/commentry/punditry is a **** on stuff like this. Because they got clear evidence quickly the grounding was the incorrect call and it could potentially change the outcome of the game they'll focus on that. They'll ignore the knock-on call because it doesn't change the narative of the game and therefore doesn't generate clicks.


I'm only interested in the correct call being made and it was time to move on.

 

[tsof]

What's the exact rule with knock ons? Looks to me like that hits his hand but goes backwards (momentum carries it forward but it definitely goes back on the hand) Surely no knock on?

Re May. I thought that too when I first watched it and his hand is definitely underneath it as it slides over, but continue watching and as he comes to the end of the slide, he places it down.

 

[The5thOfficial]

Yep, must be joking. So even when you can see there is reason a try shouldn't be awarded you want it awarded because it is a different reason to the reason given for denying? Unbelievable logic... First you lot whinge because the try wasn't analysed enough leading to a no try decision and then whinge when, upon further analysis, it is STILL shown to be no try.

LOL you asked if I was joking in response to my "wales did only concede 2 tries" - was I watching another match? Wales did only concede 2 tries in Eng v Wal on saturday right? Duh!

 

[MikeTheNative]

Oh god what the hell has happened to this thread?

Re May. I thought that too when I first watched it and his hand is definitely underneath it as it slides over, but continue watching and as he comes to the end of the slide, he places it down.

This is what happened. A guy I was watching with questioned the same originally but you can see it on one of the replays. Most cut away before he stops sliding and puts the ball down.

 

[ncurd]

What's the exact rule with knock ons? Looks to me like that hits his hand but goes backwards (momentum carries it forward but it definitely goes back on the hand) Surely no knock on?

1. It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward.

In this case momentum (unlike a forward pass) doesn't count as the ball still travels forward therefore its a knock on.