Regardless the investigations need to happen to all clubs IMO investigating only top dogs and deciding they are top dogs simply because they have used loop holes and not checking other clubs have not done similar with less success makes it a witch hunt.
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Regardless the investigations need to happen to all clubs IMO investigating only top dogs and deciding they are top dogs simply because they have used loop holes and not checking other clubs have not done similar with less success makes it a witch hunt.
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What makes you think they aren't?
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Every club is investigated.
Every year.
Saracens got an extended investigation because they were caught lying; so the lies were investigated further.
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Yeh the impression I get was that the line was drawn under the 2015 season cause 2 teams paid up under the table. So you will never really know about pre then.
But Sarries still kept on trying to find more ways around it.
But Sarries still kept on trying to find more ways around it.
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I know nothing about the GP salary cap, but this sounds quite a reasonable penalty and it can only enhance the level of competition in the contest long term. Not too severe and not too lenient. However, it only ruins one season compared to several seasons worth of cheating.
Anyhoo, my reason for posting is does the salary cap apply to the entire player budget? Are there exceptions if a player is raised through your own academy? To have a hard cap and be penalised for paying a competitive salary to a player you developed seems a little harsh.
Anyhoo, my reason for posting is does the salary cap apply to the entire player budget? Are there exceptions if a player is raised through your own academy? To have a hard cap and be penalised for paying a competitive salary to a player you developed seems a little harsh.
I posted this earlier a club has a further 600K that is allowed to designated toward essentially ex-academy players.
They also have two wild cards they can spend what they like on which could be applied to exceptional ex-academy players like Goode.
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Excellent, thanks. Sounds like a well thought out plan (although I have no idea if £600k is a large amount). I hope other leagues follow suit, but with systems that still give an advantage to sides that raises the most talent.
It roughly equates to an additional 8.5% of budget. Saracens (as a prime example) have 42 players if they all got paid equally within the salary cap it would account for a whole 3 players.
As the concept is to help retain players by being able to offer them a bit more than other clubs can but not kill any transfer market it sounds fairly reasonable and the other clubs seam happy enough with it.
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Yes every club should and probably at some point either has or will be investigated but Sarries are the most obvious, I think every club at some point has kept money off of the balance sheet, you offer someone 500k over 2 years, you give them a house worth 300k and you put them on the balance sheet at 100k a year, a few ex pros have eluded to this.
Sarries are top dogs because of their action's that's the point, your not going after someone for being good, your going after them because they cheated to get there...
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I lose more and more sympathy with each reading of a comment from the Saracens lunatic fringe.
Alsorts from conspiracy from the other clubs to wait until the appeal (even though there isn't one) because it's not confirmed Sarries have done anything wrong plus "harshest punishment in the history of sport". Haha, wow. Our lesser variant here isn't much better either.
Still a question over England's world cup bid and further sanctions too for the lack of media appearances and likely still over cap for this season. Similar punishment upcoming in 2020 as well? They're in for fun at the Shed this weekend.
Alsorts from conspiracy from the other clubs to wait until the appeal (even though there isn't one) because it's not confirmed Sarries have done anything wrong plus "harshest punishment in the history of sport". Haha, wow. Our lesser variant here isn't much better either.
Still a question over England's world cup bid and further sanctions too for the lack of media appearances and likely still over cap for this season. Similar punishment upcoming in 2020 as well? They're in for fun at the Shed this weekend.
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Assuming at least part of this is directed at me...pretty sure I've been crystal clear about accepting the judgement, condemning the breach and literally saying it taints the ***les we've won, so not sure what else you're referring to? To my knowledge there is an appeal ongoing but I have already stated that I don't think it will be successful.
I understand why fans from other clubs are particularly angry about this - especially those who would probably have won ***les instead, Exeter, Leinster and of course Bristol. I'm angry as a Saracens fan because I think we could still have been a fairly successful team without breaching the cap and now those ***les we won will essentially be discounted. But I also think that once you've verbally punched yourself out, it would be worth having a calm conversation about the transparency and the scope of the salary cap. Saracens are clearly the most egregious offenders and are rightly being made an example of, but a lack of transparency has allowed this to carry on for far too long and we know that at least one other club was found to have breached the cap in 2015 - it's not at all unreasonable to think there could have been others.
I can say this whilst still accepting that what Nigel Wray did was wrong. Just because I have a separate opinion on the cap regarding developed talent and potential reform required there, doesn't mean I'm making excuses for the salary cap breach. I can't be more clear than that, I hope that helps you relax a bit, if not you can go back in history and continue disliking my posts if that makes you feel better.
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I know this is a wee dig at Bristol but I don't think many Ster fans are angry. The cap is an English thing as far as we're concerned and has nothing to do with Europe, we could have, and most of us feel we should have*, beat you regardless.
* Played shite for the last hour of that final but this ain't the place for that chat!
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I haven't done that but seems like a good time to start from here on out, pretty much what you've been doing in this thread.
I particularly like the amount of fluff you've manage to put there without addressing or rebuking any arguments so I think it's pretty safe to say there is not much to be found in attempting to have a discussion.
If I were a Sarries fan now would be the absolute worst time to make baseless accusations against other clubs, especially when the owner hasn't come close to admitting wrongdoing and is too busy throwing toys out of the pram. In short, get your own house in order before attempting to get in someone else's.
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Have you bumped your head pal? I've not accused any other clubs. I'm a fan of English rugby primarily and Sarries secondly, do you think I counselled Nige on the salary strategy?
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Dress it how you like, I find it's better to be straight;
But of course it's Sarries second with the (South African) Saracens player photo and all the "we" too.
It would be such a shame for further punishments to happen for this season. EU rugby and Premiership won't be happy with the no shows.
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1) Anyone who loves rugby, loves Schalk Brits
2) Look in any of my historical posts, I've always been a proponent of our national team first and foremost.
3) I put a decent amount of thought and objective reason into 99% of the posts I write, which is probably why I have the highest likes-to-posts ratio I've seen on this forum. I'm sorry that you seem to be one of the few people who doesn't appreciate that approach.
4) I think they/we should be punished for the no show, just like they/we should be punished for the cap breach for as many seasons as they/we remain over the cap. I feel a bit sorry for some of the players that weren't involved or thought it was legal and that's about it.
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I am literally the only person in the top 10 who doesn't have a better ratio than you. By .3 of a percent.
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What are you talking about? Likes-to-posts = number of likes/number of posts
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A combination of not usually getting involved in mud slinging back and forth as per the above and also being incredibly verbose when I do write something.
My likes to dislikes wasn't awful until Rinakdink had his/her way with me tonight. Anyway, this feels enough off topic to call it there.
