Leicester Tigers salary cap breach?

[will311293]

Apparently Bristol have paid out the arse for MacGinty - got into a bit of a bidding war with us (which was smart play by his agent as he'd already made up his mind to leave)

Good to know and he's worth every penny.... BUT it shows that Briz are in an even more tricky situation. You can't be paying £1m for Piutau, Radrada on probs 500k plus, Lutatua on 500k plus, Sinckler only 300k plus then add McGinty, Genge, Bradbury etc.

Plus we forget people like O'Connor, Sheedy, Thacker, Thomas, Vui will be on good contracts too.

 

[will311293]

Issue is, who are they going to sell them too? Other premiership clubs are all having the same issue, though to a lesser extent and don't have much room for players. They are likely to have to look overseas really. Also the player has to agree and I don't see them being offered the same salary as what they were on at Bristol if clubs know Bristol are desperate to sell. Players might be forced to choose between a reduced salary or get into a big face off with Bristol.

I think we have room for a fullback/wing and a centre. Blackett has even suggested a few backs are needed.

So we could make room for Piutau and Radrada hahaha

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Bristol Bears facing player 'fire sale' after salary cap error - reports

An administrative contracts error looks to have landed the Bears in hot water

www.bristolpost.co.uk

It sounds very much like a Sarries type issue, trying to find a competitive edge and used a loophole thats blown up in their face.

I wonder what the repurcussions will be? Realistically i've heard Genge is on 320k and MGinty will at least match Sheedy etc. whose at 150k plus and Bradbury won't have left for much under 200k and Ibitoye has come in too.

So with only Alex Groves, Ben Bamber and Attwood gone.. there will be some serious changes needed to get under the salary cap.

Had Ibitoye been confirmed on Bristol's end yet?

 

[will311293]

Had Ibitoye been confirmed on Bristol's end yet?

So I have seen mixed reports, doubt hes on much though if he has.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

On general player salary matters this is quite interesting. Suspect there are wild variations within the averages.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61819927

Justice for hookers!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Most interesting stat from the report, for me, is that the average of the 24 top paid players is quite a bit higher than the average of all of the Marquee players, so a few clubs are paying some non-marquee players more than the average marquee player is paid (guessing Bristol is one, as Sinckler and one of Luatua/Piutau/Radradra can't be marquee)

 

[Which Tyler]

Most interesting stat from the report, for me, is that the average of the 24 top paid players is quite a bit higher than the average of all of the Marquee players, so a few clubs are paying some non-marquee players more than the average marquee player is paid (guessing Bristol is one, as Sinckler and one of Luatua/Piutau/Radradra can't be marquee)

I doubt that clubs particularly use the term "marquee player" for anything other than salary cap reports.
Any clubs marquee player will simply be their best paid, eligible player, who may not be in their top 3 earners.

At Bath, for example, fans say things like "Feletau and Watson have gone, therefore we've got a marquee slot available that hasn't been filled" in reality, Underhill has probably taken the marquee spot, unless we recruit someone with a larger salary than him, who's eligible to be marquee.

 

[Stus7]

Most interesting stat from the report, for me, is that the average of the 24 top paid players is quite a bit higher than the average of all of the Marquee players, so a few clubs are paying some non-marquee players more than the average marquee player is paid (guessing Bristol is one, as Sinckler and one of Luatua/Piutau/Radradra can't be marquee)

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

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You'd expect it to be Falcons with no excluded players with all the chat about them not being at the cap?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I doubt that clubs particularly use the term "marquee player" for anything other than salary cap reports.
Any clubs marquee player will simply be their best paid, eligible player, who may not be in their top 3 earners.

At Bath, for example, fans say things like "Feletau and Watson have gone, therefore we've got a marquee slot available that hasn't been filled" in reality, Underhill has probably taken the marquee spot, unless we recruit someone with a larger salary than him, who's eligible to be marquee.

True, but I was thinking more in terms of salary cap implications - £532k average salary for the top earners vs £457k for marquee players means there's teams spending a pretty big portion of their cap space on one guy

You'd expect it to be Falcons with no excluded players with all the chat about them not being at the cap?

Who at Falcons is on half a mil+ a year, though?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Who at Falcons is on half a mil+ a year, though?

Yeah exactly, that's what I mean, they're the only club I can think of that would be in that situ

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Also shows how little cap gets freed up by the smaller salary players

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Same old Tigers etc.etc.

Premiership statement: Leicester Tigers salary cap breach

Leicester Tigers have been slapped with a salary cap fine after they were found to be in a second salary cap breach in the space of just over two years.

www.rugbypass.com

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Aprils foolssss

 

[Saintjay]

Surely someone in Leicester can add up.

 

[higgik]

Aprils foolssss

BBC reporting it as well only 13hrs ago, so after midday yesterday

 

[Which Tyler]

Meh.
It's a lot more complicated than simply counting up salaries, (win bonuses, appearance bonuses etc etc).
Looks like they fell foul of a covid change in when the accounting year ended with a few leavers having their end of contract pay counted in 20/21 rather than 19/20 as it would have done under previous regulations.
It's also less than £50k, so the fine is £1 for every £1 overspent.
For comparison, Sarries lowest (known) overspend was more than double this.

It's an accounting error. It happens.
The reason the punishments are scaled is because accounting errors happen, and salaries aren't known ahead of time when building a squad. This level isn't considered a piss-take.
Of course, if PRL want a zero-tolerance environment, then they can introduce one (which will then be reflected in contracts), and everyone would need to allow more leeway to consider themselves "up to the cap", but for the time being, it's an accepted thing, and I suspect that all clubs have benefitted from it at some point in time (LI and Wuss are the only clubs I can't remember having fingers pointed at them - and yes, I can remember John Hall building the Newcastle squad in the late '90s).

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Surely someone in Leicester can add up.
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Unlike Northampton we only got 10 fingers to count

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Unlike Northampton we only got 10 fingers to count

Yeah us Northamptonians have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs unfortunately.

I think tigers should be punished my forcing Martin to move to saints and making Freddie Steward move to 12.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Does it still count as 8 fingers when they're all webbed together?