[RWC2023 QF2] Ireland vs New Zealand (14/10/2023)

[Leonormous Boozer]

I mean to be fair, regardless what sde you're on, if you can't get behind a song that's basically saying how wrong it is to shoot kids dead, what are you even doing

Yeah, it's far more offensive that Munster sang it first.

 

[Which Tyler]

Must admit - I didn't know it was a thing before the Ire v RSA match - and I very much doubt the stadium organisers did either - it's just a huge song in France, that they know to have come from Ireland, so they played it.

Otherwise, yeah, "killing kids is bad" really shouldn't be a controversial message.

 

[Yulia]

I think it's a bit weird to sing it in this context, and ddvalue the sense of the song

 

[SteveAustin794582]

New Zealand: Beauden Barrett, Will Jordan, Rieko Ioane, Jordie Barrett, Leicester Fainga'anuku, Richie Mo'unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (capt), Shannon Frizell, Scott Barrett, Brodie Retallick, Tyrel Lomax, Codie Taylor, Ethan de Groot.

Reserves: Dane Coles, Tamaiti Williams, Fletcher Newell, Sam Whitelock, Dalton Papalii, Finlay Christie, Damian McKenzie, Anton Lienert-Brown.

By picking De Groot I'm hoping Fozzie is trying to send the Irish the message that NZ are confident enough to play with 14 for 72 minutes of the game and still win.... That's Eddie Jones level confidence

Quite an awful call on Telea, unless the senior players voted on that. Leicester doesn't have the same defensive reading the Mark does in my opinion, and being stood up by the Uruguayan winger who was running backwards at the time is something I haven't seen done to a NZ winger maybe ever. And the chase back was lethargic. It's a wonder Leicester didn't miss curfew as well given how slow he is

Roigard did make some poor decisions against Uruguay, so judgement call by Fozzie there. Cam not clearing quick when Dmac was the only AB in the maul, and then deciding he was going to snipe around the edge while the entire AB pack stood flat footed 15 metres away waiting for the ball was just mind-bogglingly bad. Can't have that lack of intellect in the Irish game.

Other than 25 points from Dmac off the bench, I don't see NZ winning this. We'll do well to keep it respectable.

On the brightside, this will be the last game we have to suffer under Foz.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think it's a bit weird to sing it in this context, and ddvalue the sense of the song

It's not a particularly important song in the context of Irish history. It is a banger that's great to belt out in a crowd (for this World Cup only, then it can go back to Munster).

 

[dirty harry]

By picking De Groot I'm hoping Fozzie is trying to send the Irish the message that NZ are confident enough to play with 14 for 72 minutes of the game and still win.... That's Eddie Jones level confidence

Quite an awful call on Telea, unless the senior players voted on that. Leicester doesn't have the same defensive reading the Mark does in my opinion, and being stood up by the Uruguayan winger who was running backwards at the time is something I haven't seen done to a NZ winger maybe ever. And the chase back was lethargic. It's a wonder Leicester didn't miss curfew as well given how slow he is

Roigard did make some poor decisions against Uruguay, so judgement call by Fozzie there. Cam not clearing quick when Dmac was the only AB in the maul, and then deciding he was going to snipe around the edge while the entire AB pack stood flat footed 15 metres away waiting for the ball was just mind-bogglingly bad. Can't have that lack of intellect in the Irish game.

Other than 25 points from Dmac off the bench, I don't see NZ winning this. We'll do well to keep it respectable.

On the brightside, this will be the last game we have to suffer under Foz.

Unless there is 2 more...

 

[big ginger 8]

I mean to be fair, regardless what sde you're on, if you can't get behind a song that's basically saying how wrong it is to shoot kids dead, what are you even doing

It's also just a banger.

 

[Saintjay]

I rather they sing Zombie than some of U2's newer stuff it's garbage.

This whole arguement has WRU and Delilah vibes.

 

[Groundhog]

I don't think anyone actually gives a **** about the Zombie thing other than people addicted to the smell of their own farts.

We're going to continue to sing it if we win. People from Salford will be fuming online next that we sang Dirty Old Town.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

People from Salford will be fuming online next that we sang Dirty Old Town.

Mainly because UNESCO have upgraded it to Filthy Old Sh*thole, and you're not paying it it's due respect

 

[BrokenWing]

Limerick hurling fans were reportedly the first to adopt Zombie as a sporting anthem in 2018 after O'Riordan's death.

I suppose it made a change from "There once was a man from Nantucket"

 

[OwenPB]

Must admit - I didn't know it was a thing before the Ire v RSA match - and I very much doubt the stadium organisers did either - it's just a huge song in France, that they know to have come from Ireland, so they played it.

Otherwise, yeah, "killing kids is bad" really shouldn't be a controversial message.

To be fair, the French have a great track record for enjoying songs that are out of context:
"I will Survive" (about leaving an abusive partner) for the Football World Cup.
"Freed from Desire" (not such a bad choice here: break away from societal norms) for the current French Soccer team
And, generally belting out Sunday Bloody Sunday with a gleeful expression like it was a pop bubble-gum classic at every opportunity. (<- boils my ****, this one does)

 

[Which Tyler]

TBF - all countries have a long and glorious history of enjoying songs out of context.
I Will Survive
Freed From Desire
Every Breath You Take
Macarena
One Way or Another
Born in the USA
Poker Face
Hands Free
etc etc

The French have a better excuse than the English speaking world, in that it's their second language, and most of them won't have clue what the lyrics are, let alone the context for them.
They like Zombie because it's a cracking great song. So did I, for that matter - I knew it was anti-war, but didn't know it was in reaction to IRA bombings until just now.
They're allowed to.

 

[OwenPB]

TBF - all countries have a long and glorious history of enjoying songs out of context.
I Will Survive
Freed From Desire
Every Breath You Take
Macarena
One Way or Another
Born in the USA
Poker Face
Hands Free
etc etc

The French have a better excuse than the English speaking world, in that it's their second language, and most of them won't have clue what the lyrics are, let alone the context for them.
They like Zombie because it's a cracking great song. So did I, for that matter - I knew it was anti-war, but didn't know it was in reaction to IRA bombings until just now.
They're allowed to.

Of course they're allowed to. Just the context is often slightly bemusing.

Apart from Sunday Bloody Sunday. They play it at weddings.

 

[ncurd]

Of course they're allowed to. Just the context is often slightly bemusing.

Apart from Sunday Bloody Sunday. They play it at weddings.

Why play U2 at weddings? Full stop.

 

[Which Tyler]

Why play U2? Full stop.

FTFY

 

[Saintjay]

Wish fans would get more creative with chants and singing at games. Rathering than the constant "come on you......" or drawn out team names like "tiiiiiigeeers, tiiiiigers" in the prem.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Wish fans would get more creative with chants and singing at games. Rathering than the constant "come on you......" or drawn out team names like "tiiiiiigeeers, tiiiiigers" in the prem.

My best memory of rugby fans singing was after the BIL win in the 3rd test win over Australia- Fields of Athenry, Flower of Scotland, Bread of Heaven, Sweet Chariot all in succession. And that was 11am in the morning in a Casino just off of Leicester Square.

 

[munstermuffin]

Yeah, it's far more offensive that Munster sang it first.

Just a tradition that all songs Munster sing are taken by Ireland

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Just a tradition that all songs Munster sing are taken by Ireland

It's usually Connacht now.