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RWC Semi Final: New Zealand - Australia (16-10-2011, 21:00)

I have concerns about the ABs winning this game.....memories of 2003 are returning. Australia went in as the underdogs and ambushed the All Blacks with a better gameplan. Sundays game will be won by the coaches....the final challenge between Deans and Henry. IMO it is more a case of Henry losing it rather than Deans winning it. I have not seen any evidence that Deans has found the winning formula for the Wallabies. For Henry the challenge now is to quickly get his team going WITHOUT Carter after spending so much time building the team around McCaw and Carter. Whichever man quickly finds the answers to their problem will win this game.

I agree with the observation of it's more of a case of Henry losing it than Deans winning it, this AB team is the goods IMO, back in 2003 they had ' Captain Erratic' Carlos Spencer, and, I think, he was the one who threw the pass that was Intercepted by Mortlock (?) never liked Spencer and, sure as eggs, never liked the coach Mitchell either, he always looked like a worried man ! This is the FIRST time that I've felt reasonably happy with the coach and the Squad chosen ( apart from Stephen Donald and not too sure yet about Toeava either )
Was talking to an Aussie mate who reckons the ABs at home, with their forward pack, won't lose, he's convinced the ABs will win by around 20 points ! ....... No wonder he's a MATE ! Hahaha :))


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I actually think the AB's are capable of beating Australia by 20 points - I don't necessarily think they will, but if Australia plays like they did versus Ireland/South Africa it is a distinct possibility. I know everyone is nervous because this is a Rugby World Cup, but the AB's have a very impressive record versus Australia over recent years, and they haven't lost to Australia in New Zealand since 2001! This certainly doesn't mean that they won't lose to Australia, but based on the recent matches between the two teams, and the teams performances this Rugby World Cup, the AB's do deserve to be favourites for this match.

I have always wondered about the AB's performance at RWC's. At the point of being knocked out each world cup they tend to just cruise through with very little intensity.Even Minnow countries tend not bother to field their best teams against NZ to save for games they think they have a chance of winning. You would think a team as great as the AB's should be able to deal with it but I cant help but wonder whether they get a skewed perspective of what the true levels of intensity are at the tournament. By the knockout stages and further along most teams would have experienced some pretty intense games. Not usually the AB's and by the time they do its usually a bad result for them......all the pressure and expectations are on you guys......:p

Also if media reports are true If Todd is participating in training doesnt he have to be part of the 30 man squad already and if so doesnt NZ have to drop one the players to allow Todd into the squad to train? sounds like cheating to me! :p
 
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Under IRB regulations you're allowed to bring in people who are contracted to your union to train against such as in scrums and in defence. There are several Auckland Blues players currently there but as Todd was in Auckland at the time he was brought in as he did before the French game when they were in Wellington. Fair enough.
 
I've always wondered why other teams do so poor in NZ. I mean all the crowds in New Zealand are **** poor-not many people deny this. No atmosphere other than an occasional all blacks chant. And hostility is nothing compared to what i've seen of the South African crowds on tv. There's no reason why Eden Park should be a fortress-but it is. The best crowds i've seen in NZ were in replays of the old Blues sides of 96 and 97 when they thrashed their opposition and won back to back super 12's. But apart from this the rest of the crowds have been pretty silent and obsolete.

Another thing is that seems to me, that all games in NZ just seem a little slower for some reason. I mean you watch games played at Suncorp and ANZ stadium and even in Africa and everything happens at a hundred miles per hour, and even if it's raining conditions look great. Is it just me? And then you have teams like the Reds that come across and play a helpless Hurricanes side at a half empty Caketin, and the Reds end up playing **** themselves, then the minute they get back to Suncorp, they're back to playing rapidly paced rugby again.
 
Seriously though... if you have to ask who do you replace him with DURING the World Cup, then you really need to rethink how your coaches are operating! South Africa knew they needed a back-up fetcher in case brussouw got injured and they Brought in Francois Louw who did a pretty good job when he was on the pitch...

Mccaw's back-up should already have been in the damn squad from the start!!

If you guys choke this weekend, it will be your own dumb-ass fault this time!

Why are you suggesting this as though it's some miraculous revelation? This is what the New Zealand public have been saying for the last 8 years.

It seems rather ironic that in all this time as head coach, the two poistions that Henry has not found any cover for just happen to be held by the two most vital players in the team.
 
Or maybe it's just because there truly is nobody up to the task???
 
Or maybe it's just because there truly is nobody up to the task???

Well in Dan Carter's case, Nick Evans was a definate option. It's a pity the NZRU did nothing to hold on to him because he would have continued to make an outstanding All Black if he had stuck around longer.
 
Or maybe it's just because there truly is nobody up to the task???

Well you will never know now would you? Graham Henry had ample opportunity to test some guys out! Hell even Luke Mcalister might have been a good back-up for DC.

As for Mccaw's back-up... Why didn't they use Matt Todd during the Tri-nations? that would've been perfect for him...
 
Well you will never know now would you? Graham Henry had ample opportunity to test some guys out! Hell even Luke Mcalister might have been a good back-up for DC.

As for Mccaw's back-up... Why didn't they use Matt Todd during the Tri-nations? that would've been perfect for him...

Why select an outstanding, young openside flanker like Matt Todd when we can just use Adam Thomson?
 
Why select an outstanding, young openside flanker like Matt Todd when we can just use Adam Thomson?
Adam Thompson is quality !
He consistently puts in a huge HUGE tackle count... so huge in fact I feel it alone warrants selection
 
Adam Thompson is quality !
He consistently puts in a huge HUGE tackle count... so huge in fact I feel it alone warrants selection

Which is all well and good for a blindside flanker (that being his actual position) but he's yet prove himself at 7.
 
Interesting question, if Donald trys too hard to be like Carter and rips his groin before the match, who is the next guy in?
Barrett? Brown? Bleyendaal? Anscome? Matthewson? Maybe break their own rules and get Evans?
 
I've always wondered why other teams do so poor in NZ. I mean all the crowds in New Zealand are **** poor-not many people deny this. No atmosphere other than an occasional all blacks chant. And hostility is nothing compared to what i've seen of the South African crowds on tv. There's no reason why Eden Park should be a fortress-but it is. The best crowds i've seen in NZ were in replays of the old Blues sides of 96 and 97 when they thrashed their opposition and won back to back super 12's. But apart from this the rest of the crowds have been pretty silent and obsolete.

Another thing is that seems to me, that all games in NZ just seem a little slower for some reason. I mean you watch games played at Suncorp and ANZ stadium and even in Africa and everything happens at a hundred miles per hour, and even if it's raining conditions look great. Is it just me? And then you have teams like the Reds that come across and play a helpless Hurricanes side at a half empty Caketin, and the Reds end up playing **** themselves, then the minute they get back to Suncorp, they're back to playing rapidly paced rugby again.

1. I think the international crowds in New Zealand are fine, it's mainly for the ITM Cup and Super Rugby in the last 10 years where it has been pretty quiet. If you ever saw crowds in the NPC/Super 12 around Carisbrook in the mid 90's, there is no way you could claim there is no atmosphere. I was at the USA v Australia game and the crowds at Westpac ("Wellington Regional") Stadium was electric. Even NZ v Canada had a pretty good atmosphere. It's just a case that we don't have an especially unruley culture in watching sporting matches, and when there is a hostile atmosphere (France v New Zealand 2009 in Dunedin) it's rightly discouraged.

Disagree what you say about pace. There is no way that New Zealand play a slow paced game at home or overseas. Obviously when there is bad weather (which is a problem in most stadiums in NZ) that'll be different, but when it's dry it's usually much quicker.

Well you will never know now would you? Graham Henry had ample opportunity to test some guys out! Hell even Luke Mcalister might have been a good back-up for DC.

As for Mccaw's back-up... Why didn't they use Matt Todd during the Tri-nations? that would've been perfect for him...


It's depressing to see how magnificant McAlister is in the Top 14 right now
. ,. The reality is that he should have been given more oppertunities when he came back to New Zealand, but the fact that he acted with a bit of maturity and play for North Harbor and did well, he'd probably be in the All Blacks right now. He should have been given many more oppertunities after being rushed back in 2009, but he was often injured and out of form. I'd have had him in the All Blacks in the end of year tour, but it's just one of many selection issues I've been complaining about, and his attitude stopped him from progressing.

In terms of Adam Thomson covering openside flanker, it's the thing I've been complaning about since the WC squad was named, and openside is a position that Henry has really neglected for two years. It was always a risk, and people said that "in reality McCaw will play every big game", but now that he's injured and could be in trouble, it seems obvious that Thomson should have been replaced with Luke Braid/Matt Todd/Scott Waldrom all of whom were in fantastic form.

Interesting question, if Donald trys too hard to be like Carter and rips his groin before the match, who is the next guy in?
Barrett? Brown? Bleyendaal? Anscome? Matthewson? Maybe break their own rules and get Evans?

Good question. Maybe bring in Evans/McAlister or bring in another halfback and make Weepu the replacement 10. No one out of the other possible replacement would be anywhere near ready.
 
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Just watched the Sth African/ Wallaby quarter final and what a war it was, very intense and Pocock was outstanding and without him Australia would have lost for sure. I have to say South Africa were their own worst enemies by blowing some missed opportunities and at times the attack seemed a bit too predictable/one dimensional. Feel for the Boks who must feel robbed but they will be knowing how the kiwis have felt too many times at the RWC :(
As the countdown begins before Sundays semi, I'm hoping the Wallaby defensive effort wont be repeated, because if it is, it will frustrate the ABs attack, and cause the same error rate we saw against The Pumas. Thinking that the game against Sth Africa would have taken a lot out of tank of the Wallabies, it was BRUTAL, but if they can repeat it then hats off to them for sure, it would be a colossal effort !

Got to say how much I love the Spider Cam in the games 'specially the penalty kicks, congrats to the TV coverage team !
 
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Here's a question,


Who the heck would bet on a draw????:huh:

The odds are off Bwin and strictly speaking are for the score after 80 minutes. If it goes into extra time the "draw" bet would win regardless of how many points are scored in extra time.
 
Well in Dan Carter's case, Nick Evans was a definate option. It's a pity the NZRU did nothing to hold on to him because he would have continued to make an outstanding All Black if he had stuck around longer.

in all fairness, Evans was on radio sport a couple of months ago and they asked him that, his answer was he didn't want to be someone elses back up for his entire career and that going to europe was the right decision for his family, he also said the NZRU did everything they could short of promissing him the 10 jersey (paraphrasing)

Personally i think it was his own fault, when he came south he made this big call "i'm a first five and i want to be the all black first five". this was at a time when Mils had yet to hit his straps at full back and the ab's were calling out for class back there. I think he could have easilly made the 15 jersey his right through until Dagg arriving on the scene and covered carter from there
 
I never rated Nick Evans, maybe it's because I was so happy with Flutey at the Canes lmao!!..

McAlister was unlucky to miss out this year imo. He played superbly, BUT he was at 12 which I think was the reason he wasn't picked.
 
I never rated Nick Evans, maybe it's because I was so happy with Flutey at the Canes lmao!!..

McAlister was unlucky to miss out this year imo. He played superbly, BUT he was at 12 which I think was the reason he wasn't picked.

really? i thought he was ok with a few moment of class but certainly not the style of play the ab's want to play. His style works very well in europe...not as well in NZ
 

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