SelimNiai
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It's got to be Wayne Barnes, i think he's quality.
Pre tournament I'd have agreed but Barnes has had a bit of a stinker
It's got to be Wayne Barnes, i think he's quality.
Agreed, the consistency of Aus and NZ is enough to take the French out alone.
same referee that gave wales 2 penalties that they missed. wales could have won but they didnt.
Dude, I'm meaning referees in general not just this one, calls in general, not just the one against Wales, I have already brought up the one on Mas..The, we are humans excuse doesn't fly when we have the technology to be as accurate as can be but dont use the technology to our advantage.same referee that gave wales 2 penalties that they missed. wales could have won but they didnt.
And refereeing is a human job. We aint meant to be perfect
Along the years watching wins and defeats I have learn something, you get an ugly win for all those unlucky loss you suffered. You can blame it on the ref as long as you want, one day it ll turn yourn side.
No need to change the way it works appart from scrutinising the ref overall performance. there are lee ways for errors, we are humans.
Nope, i was supporting Wales the entire way so the matches were great, but i'm ruling them out for the very reason i said above.
They've been terrible all tournament. They look lost on the field.
Everyone says France has one great match every tournament...with their coaching i'm not sure they can achieve "great" and if they are going to have something resembling a "great" match then it's already been: Last week against England.
The two remaining teams are just too overwhelming favourites against France.
Granted, nothing is impossible, but a French win is not something i'd waste my money on were i a betting man.
I'm pretty sickened by the abuse Rolland is being given both online and from pundits/commentators. It wasn't Rolland who spear tackled Parra. Warburton has only himself to blame for this. It's obvious that refs have been told to crack down on those sort of tackles and that's what Rolland did.
no offence bu I think we are with he TMO.Dude, I'm meaning referees in general not just this one, calls in general, not just the one against Wales, I have already brought up the one on Mas..The, we are humans excuse doesn't fly when we have the technology to be as accurate as can be but dont use the technology to our advantage.
This is what I am hoping for and I think our game needs it to be honest. Just too many games being decided on referee's decisions.
A couple of points about this tackle issue.
1) It is a very difficult thing to prove intent. It is hard enough in criminal law when you need two things a guilty act and a guilty mind. Mens Rea, Actus Rea for the lawyers among you. It would be next to impossible for the referee to know this, other than act upon what he saw in front of him. The only person who can answer the question of his intent is Sam Warburton. He is never going to say he went out of his way to smash the player. He has said that he did it with no malice. A reasonable person would not expect him to say anything different.
2) For those that say the laws should be changed or what do we want touch rugby. Yes it is a contact sport that requires rules and laws to keep it safe. The ref's are told to be tight on this for one reason and one reason only. People can be very badly hurt. A knock on, hands in the ruck will not paralyse you. Young player were going out, spear tackling people before these laws were brought in, attempting to smash people as they saw there rugby idols doing.
Two of the most common causes of cervical fractures of young people in the U.K are horse riding and rugby. This can leave people paralysed or even cause death. From rugby the main causes being scrummaging, incorrect tackling technique, and illegal (dangerous) tackles. We should never forget that people of all levels play rugby for enjoyment and these rules are for people's safety. It is not the health and safety police gone mad or the anti-fun brigade. It is so men and women can enjoy the game and have fun. Not spend the realistic prospect of facing life in a wheelchair. If you are naive to think it does not happen or that the rules need changing ask the below people what they think.
Richard Vowles, 29, was injured in the final seconds of a local derby between Llanharan and Tondu in January 1998.
Woody" Beckham 22 paralysed playing rugby.
Matt King 22, who was left paralysed after a spinal injury during a rugby match.
Former England Under-21 international Matt Hampson paralysed from the chest down.
Roger Thomas 17 was a promising schoolboy centre when he was injured in a collapsed maul in 1977. I have added this a little good news as the guy now 42 has just had a child with his wife, after being told it was next to impossible
To the point I can't work out who is best ref out there atm
no offence bu I think we are with he TMO.
what do you want? a computerised refereeing system? As long as human will be involved there will be controversies. And If it was a computer looking at a video there would be also....
Craig Joubert without a doubt
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Do you not realise your problem?? They're English and that's that lol..
On a serious note, I do agree about the dangerous tackle needing some ruling against it. But when it is not malicious and unintentional then it doesn't. For someone that plays rugby and is in these tackle situations regularly, sometimes you don't even TRY to do it. It seems like it's just a mixture of momentum, timing, weight of your opponent and your technique and the player just automatically goes into the air. I'd say this is what happened here.
Shutup ffs! Rugby is a team sport where team-mates stick up for one another. If there is foul play, then the rest of the team react and rightly so. Please can people stop being pathetic loosers and just accept the loss, and that Warburton deserved the punishment handed out to him. If Rolland is hounded in a similar way that Nigel Owens was after the SA v Samoa game, I'll be extremely dissapointed with my fellow countrymen and women.
By All means, comment on the game, give your opinion on whether or not it was a red card offence, but none of this French / ref bashing please!!!!!
How is the ref supposed to determine intended malice? Warburton's tackle was very intentional in that he clearly lifted and then tipped him upside down, but I'm certain his intention wasn't to injure the player.