RWC: All Blacks - France (24-09-2011, 15:30)

[Black Heart]

******** to that - I love the Haka, don't get me wrong, but if France had done anything like that before playing in 07 there would have been outrage

Outrage from who? New Zealand? South Africa? I doubt it.
It seems that the English and the Welsh and to a lesser extent, the French, make it their undying public duty to whinge about absolutly everything. I think Northern Hemisphere media try to make a big deal of the All Blacks and the haka simply because it is the All Blacks. Let's be honest, if it was a team like Tonga performing a throat slitting gesture in the Sipi Tau noone would give a rats ass. People are just bashing the number team because they can. The Tongans already make an action in the Sipi Tau reflecting them ripping their enemies apart and yet nobody is bothered by it.

Anyway, that wasn't my argument. You can enforce whatever rules you like around the haka when the All Blacks are playing abroad but the players are not going to listen to regulations on their home soil - just look at last night. That was the first time we've seen that throat action performed for 4 years.

Teams with Hakas just get special privileges, nothing to do with it being in NZ or anything

What exactly are you trying to prove here? If you want my opinion on the IRBs rules regarding teams not challenging the haka then yes, it is rubbish. Most Kiwis would love to see the All Blacks being challenged because that is what haka is about.

Interestingly enough there were complaints about the throat slitting motion in 2006 and they changed it, but then changed back afterwards

Yes, complaints from (surprise surprise) the English. They changed it in 2007 to keep the PR twits from the NH happy but they evidently brought it back to life last night. It was almost expected that they wouldn't hold back against the French. They were stamping their authority on the match saying, "This is our soil."

Some people just need to take a lesson from the Boks and man-up. Granted, manning up might be a bit difficult for the French given their football hollywood shenanigans last night. If anyone has a cause to whinge about anything it's the All Blacks. They were being penalised because France thought they were playing soccer.

 

[barthelemy]

Your post gave me hope until that last line. Focus has never been something the France team were famous for!!

Very true sadly..and I ****in love my country team...

 

[rusty_lock]

And to think that the Huricanes have no use for Ma'a Nonu. Hammett needs his head examined. Ma'a Nonu is indisputably the best #12 in the world and he proved it once again against the French.

 

[donmcdazzle]

And to think that the Huricanes have no use for Ma'a Nonu. Hammett needs his head examined. Ma'a Nonu is indisputably the best #12 in the world and he proved it once again against the French.

Hurricanes Nonu and All Blacks Nonu are two different players/attitudes though. Not defending Hammett but it is a mitigating factor.

 

[Saintjay]

This from the guy who defends Ashton and his try celebrations?! Also, I'm assuming you ignore the fact Steve Thompson plays for England? He seems like the biggest w*nker in world rugby. That whole Kaino/YAchvili thing surely paints Yachvili as the bad guy? Kaino obstructed him (which by they way would happen about 30 times per game) and he goes down like he got punched in the face? What a tosser. I actually quite liked the French team before that game, can't stand them now after that nancy boy diving like he got shot and Mermoz celebrating like he scored the winning try while they were getting hammered.

So what exactly is the basis of your opinion for Steve Thompson being the biggest w@nker in world rugby?

Having met the guy, he was a pretty decent bloke. Yes he has drive, determination and hates losing. Pretty much what you want in a rugby player at the top level.

I also know a number of people who knew Thompson and Ben Cohen at Northampton Old Scounts and again they could not speak badly of either of them.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yes, complaints from (surprise surprise) the English.

That's racist, bro.
It was the Irish.

This from the guy who defends Ashton and his try celebrations?! Also, I'm assuming you ignore the fact Steve Thompson plays for England? He seems like the biggest w*nker in world rugby. That whole Kaino/YAchvili thing surely paints Yachvili as the bad guy? Kaino obstructed him (which by they way would happen about 30 times per game) and he goes down like he got punched in the face? What a tosser. I actually quite liked the French team before that game, can't stand them now after that nancy boy diving like he got shot and Mermoz celebrating like he scored the winning try while they were getting hammered.

I don't get it, it reads like you're trying to hurt my feelings by saying all this, when in reality I don't give a crap about any of that

I didn't even see that Kaino/Yachvili thing, I was making breakfast at that point, I said I didn't like Kaino beforehand and it wasn't necessarily anything from this match, just his general demeanour from all matches I've seen of him recently.

I'll finish this post off with a good old fashioned:

 

[callsign.springbok]

Just the contemptible words of a racist, white South African.

You're probably a paid up member of the AWB, but I'll cut you some slack, because you're probably still mourning the death of Eugène Terre'Blanche, your beloved Fuhrer.

BTW, what you said never happened. It was the IRISH who advanced on the haka; and if you understood anything about Haka, you would understand that it is a challenge, and you are EXPECTED to stand up and face it down.. we love it when an opponent does this... any Maori elder will tell you that, but you are just too ignorant to understand.

When Wales and the All Blacks had their staring match a few years back, Maori here loved it, Wales showing a display of determination, it was only the British media that made a big deal about it, again from a position of sheer ignorance.

What a reasonable assumption to make about me!

Yeah of course, anyone who criticises their cosy little rugby culture must be from the AWB... the National Front... the Ku Klux Klan... what are you on, guy?

NZ are the only ones who benefit from the 10m rule! When any team stands up to it by walking forward or staring after they steal the limelight from the most attention-seeking team around!

 

[Muzzy]

I was watching Toulon vs Stade Francais this morning, man France really could have done with Bastareaud, I know its not the same level as international, but France really needed a strong center who could break the line, they had great back line moves but none of them had that physical presence like a Ma'a Nonu does to break the line, Basareaud was a beast for Toulon today he would have been perfect for them

 

[barthelemy]

Outrage from who? New Zealand? South Africa? I doubt it.
It seems that the English and the Welsh and to a lesser extent, the French, make it their undying public duty to whinge about absolutly everything. I think Northern Hemisphere media try to make a big deal of the All Blacks and the haka simply because it is the All Blacks. Let's be honest, if it was a team like Tonga performing a throat slitting gesture in the Sipi Tau noone would give a rats ass. People are just bashing the number team because they can. The Tongans already make an action in the Sipi Tau reflecting them ripping their enemies apart and yet nobody is bothered by it.

Anyway, that wasn't my argument. You can enforce whatever rules you like around the haka when the All Blacks are playing abroad but the players are not going to listen to regulations on their home soil - just look at last night. That was the first time we've seen that throat action performed for 4 years.



What exactly are you trying to prove here? If you want my opinion on the IRBs rules regarding teams not challenging the haka then yes, it is rubbish. Most Kiwis would love to see the All Blacks being challenged because that is what haka is about.



Yes, complaints from (surprise surprise) the English. They changed it in 2007 to keep the PR twits from the NH happy but they evidently brought it back to life last night. It was almost expected that they wouldn't hold back against the French. They were stamping their authority on the match saying, "This is our soil."

Some people just need to take a lesson from the Boks and man-up. Granted, manning up might be a bit difficult for the French given their football hollywood shenanigans last night. If anyone has a cause to whinge about anything it's the All Blacks. They were being penalised because France thought they were playing soccer.

Just the media bro. Haka is ****ing great. AB without Haka it is like an one handed guy. It is part of rugby !!!! I would be ****in angry if any organisation would choose to stop it.

 

[DariusLovehall]

callsign your a sad sad case ..........

 

[barthelemy]

I was watching Toulon vs Stade Francais this morning, man France really could have done with Bastareaud, I know its not the same level as international rugby, but France really needed a strong center who could break the line, they had great back line moves but none of them had that physical presence like a Ma'a Nonu does to break the line, Basareaud was a beast for Toulon today he would have been perfect for them

Yep. But did you follow the story of Bastaraud with NZ ? to understand why this guy is not in the french team ? Do not get me wrong, IMO, this guy should be part of the team but emotionally, it was a risky bet.

 

[smartcooky]

NZ are the only ones who benefit from the 10m rule! When any team stands up to it by walking forward or staring after they steal the limelight from the most attention-seeking team around!

What "benefit"? How do we derive benefit from that?

We'd rather have everyone standing closer, and taking up the challenge.

You are little more than an ignorant cvnt, who seems to feel the need to criticise what you don't understand.

Actually, most Kiwis (and I'd wager most posters on this forum) don't give a toss what wankers like you think of Haka.

I just think racists like you need to be brought to book from time to time, before your particular brand of bigotry becomes too widespread.

 

[Saintjay]

Love the haka, I think it is a great tradition and long may it continue. If teams want to stand and face it good for them.

I could not care if they gave us the finger, dropped there shorts or what-ever at the end of it. It is a challenge and that is all. I am sure that none of the players have ever complained about the haka being performed in front of them. It will be some over the top pc fuddy duddy mad man in the RFU.

If people really can't get over that so be it. I am not sure how little some people must have in there lives but I for one have better things to worry about.

Turning this into a racial arguement by all sides is just sad.

As for the AB's being an attention seeking team. I don't think so they are are country that eats and sleeps rugby. At the moment they have the third biggest sporting event in the world going on. So sit back relax and let them enjoy it.

 

[callsign.springbok]

What "benefit"? How do we derive benefit from that?

We'd rather have everyone standing closer, and taking up the challenge.

You are little more than an ignorant cvnt, who seems to feel the need to criticise what you don't understand.

Actually, most Kiwis (and I'd wager most posters on this forum) don't give a toss what wankers like you think of Haka.

I just think racists like you need to be brought to book from time to time, before your particular brand of bigotry becomes too widespread.

you seem intent to tar me as a racist, but can't actually quote anything to back that up. We're talking about the haka as something that's performed before a rugby match, nothing to do with its performance elsewhere. you're the one who leaps to brand a south african who gives their opinion as 'bigot' 'racist' 'awb member'. so it's really you who is peddling the stereotypes and prejudices against people because of their background

 

[ranger]

you seem intent to tar me as a racist, but can't actually quote anything to back that up. We're talking about the haka as something that's performed before a rugby match, nothing to do with its performance elsewhere. you're the one who leaps to brand a south african who gives their opinion as 'bigot' 'racist' 'awb member'. so it's really you who is peddling the stereotypes and prejudices against people because of their background

If you honestly don't realise that that is how you are coming across, i suggest you re-read your posts from a neutral perspective. Biggoted and ignorant.

 

[callsign.springbok]

If you honestly don't realise that that is how you are coming across, i suggest you re-read your posts from a neutral perspective. Biggoted and ignorant.

OK, OK anyone from SA who criticises the All Blacks is doing so because they are a member of the AWB. Sorry, who is bigoted and ignorant again?

 

[donmcdazzle]

That's racist, bro.
It was the Irish.


I don't get it, it reads like you're trying to hurt my feelings by saying all this, when in reality I don't give a crap about any of that

I didn't even see that Kaino/Yachvili thing, I was making breakfast at that point, I said I didn't like Kaino beforehand and it wasn't necessarily anything from this match, just his general demeanour from all matches I've seen of him recently.

I'll finish this post off with a good old fashioned:

I'm not trying to hurt your feelings I'm just confused as to how you say you don't like players due to their on-field demeanour when the English come across as right dickheads on the field (I'm sure they're good guys off the field). You yourself even defend Ashton, who if we are judging on how people behave on the field is an absolute knob, as is Thompson (again, probably top men off the pitch).. And no I'm not mad, it is just a bit hypocritical on your behalf. Either that or you are selective as to which players' actions irk you.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I've never seen Ashton do anything to suggest he's a dick on the field.
I don't find his dive a dickish move considering how many players do them, I do find people who constantly bring it up annoying because they only do it because he's English.

 

[donmcdazzle]

I've never seen Ashton do anything to suggest he's a dick on the field.
I don't find his dive a dickish move considering how many players do them, I do find people who constantly bring it up annoying because they only do it because he's English.

I'd do it no matter who the person played for, including and especially the AB's. I used to hate the way Jeff Wilson sometimes celebrated tries (even though he was an awesome player, as is Ashton). I reckon Mermoz is a dick for the way he carried on when he got that intercept. A game winning try is one thing, a try in a 60 point drubbing or when your team is getting a drubbing comes across as dickish.

You are massively blinkered if you can't see how Ashton comes across as a ******** with that dive. Out of interest what does Kaino do that winds you up? That's a genuine question.

 

[jawmalawm24]

Hurricanes Nonu and All Blacks Nonu are two different players/attitudes though. Not defending Hammett but it is a mitigating factor.

Totally agree with this. The 2 Ma'a Nonu's are very different but people can't seem to understand this. The one that plays for the Wellington Lions and Wellington Hurricanes usually plays crap for 2 games than has a outstanding the next and so the pattern continues.

I'd rather have someone like Conrad who works hard every single game he plays and his all round game is so much better because how many times did we see the French offense go around Ma'a Saturday night? way too many times. At the moment he is on form I have to admit but I just wish he played like that for us when he was representing Wellington and not play in drips and drabs