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RWC: All Blacks - France (24-09-2011, 15:30)

What about when he was ****ling Tuilagi before he got whacked? That was slightly dickish.

I'd do it no matter who the person played for, including and especially the AB's. I used to hate the way Jeff Wilson sometimes celebrated tries (even though he was an awesome player, as is Ashton). I reckon Mermoz is a dick for the way he carried on when he got that intercept. A game winning try is one thing, a try in a 60 point drubbing or when your team is getting a drubbing comes across as dickish.

You are massively blinkered if you can't see how Ashton comes across as a ******** with that dive. Out of interest what does Kaino do that winds you up? That's a genuine question.
He pushed Tuilagi because he got tackled high and off the ball


I don't know what it is about Kaino - I really don't, just don't like him. Does he get involved in off the ball stuff? I can picture him shoving players getting up from a ruck and the such.
There's probably something I've seen in the back of my mind that stops me liking him :p
It's all subconscious
 
He pushed Tuilagi because he got tackled high and off the ball


I don't know what it is about Kaino - I really don't, just don't like him. Does he get involved in off the ball stuff? I can picture him shoving players getting up from a ruck and the such.
There's probably something I've seen in the back of my mind that stops me liking him :p
It's all subconscious

I actually edited out that comment cause yeah Tuilagi pretty much instigated the whole thing, just looked at the video.

Haha na Kaino is one of the least ****ly players there is! Very low key type of guy. I don't think I can recall him ever being penalised for dirty stuff or off the ball stuff, last night's horrendously malicious elbow assault aside.

Please tell me you depise Rocky Elsom? He's a real off the ball ****le player.
 
I actually edited out that comment cause yeah Tuilagi pretty much instigated the whole thing, just looked at the video.

Haha na Kaino is one of the least ****ly players there is! Very low key type of guy. I don't think I can recall him ever being penalised for dirty stuff or off the ball stuff, last night's horrendously malicious elbow assault aside.

Please tell me you depise Rocky Elsom? He's a real off the ball ****le player.

Steve Thompson (Northampton) Chris Ashton (Northampton)

Ashton at least showed he can take a punch or three
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It's a Northampton thing, my home town. We don't have much else going for us other than rugby. So like very small children we feel a deep seated need to be noticed.

Of course with the lack of love for those of the black green and gold in this thread. We are all very hurt and sad.
 
If you're classing Steve Thompson as Northampton shouldn't you class Chris Ashton as Wigan? :p
 
If you're classing Steve Thompson as Northampton shouldn't you class Chris Ashton as Wigan? :p

Lol nah, just that they are both linked to the town. Give me a break we don't have much to shout about. Apart from making nice shoes once upon a time.
 
OK, OK anyone from SA who criticises the All Blacks is doing so because they are a member of the AWB. Sorry, who is bigoted and ignorant again?

Criticising the ABs is one thing, thats perfectly acceptable. If you can't see how you are erring into ******** territory i pity you, as its probably a problem that leaks into your everyday life.

In regards to your question; still you son.
 
He pushed Tuilagi because he got tackled high and off the ball


I don't know what it is about Kaino - I really don't, just don't like him. Does he get involved in off the ball stuff? I can picture him shoving players getting up from a ruck and the such.
There's probably something I've seen in the back of my mind that stops me liking him :p
It's all subconscious

Jerome Kaino would be one of the cleanest and fairest loose forwards in International rugby.
Never plays dirty -always plays hard and fair .... and even when ****led and pushed doesn't get rattled he just lets his performance speak.

Can't understand why you would dislike him at all - if you went back over AB's matches you won't find many if any scenarios where Kaino plays dirty....

To any idiot who brings up the elbow that didn't exist - dont be stupid .... it didn't exist ... watch the replay without your Hater Shades on...
 
OK, OK anyone from SA who criticises the All Blacks is doing so because they are a member of the AWB. Sorry, who is bigoted and ignorant again?

No. You can criticise the All Blacks all you like, you can call them cheats, you can say they suck etc etc, it will all be water of a ducks back..

But that is NOT what you are doing. You are making racist and bigoted, and more importantly, untrue statements about a part of the culture of New Zealand that is very important to us. You don't find New Zealanders on this forum making derogatory statements about Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime beliefs, or Kwa-Zulu Cultural history, or Scottish Celtic heritage.

If you cannot see how culturally offensive your comments are, then like Ranger, I really do feel sorry for you. It must be terrible to live in a moral and spiritual vaccuum.
 
I agree with callsign.springbok in the need to bring up parts of South Africa's history in order to insult a member, regardless if they're insulting your culture, is unnecessary. There are hundreds of South African members on this forum and many of them I have found to be great members who are very tolerent and clever people. callsign just isn't one of them. If you don't want to put up with his posts then either block him or if you feel he has broken forum conduct, report him. No need to risk offending other people. Same goes with any member.

Ok people, let's steer this thread back on topic. Opinions just based on the game would be great, as I can see why people would avoid this thread because of criticism regardinging everything New Zealand, on and off the pitch. Ironically the people who I have been very impressed with this thread is the French, who have been the people seemingly least offended by the game and have been very gracious in defeat (which I'm sure we can all learn from).
 
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I've never seen Ashton do anything to suggest he's a dick on the field.
I don't find his dive a dickish move considering how many players do them, I do find people who constantly bring it up annoying because they only do it because he's English.

Or because he's scored against your team.

There's nothing wrong with the dive, as long as he isn't flicking the V's or things like that I don't mind
 
Just the contemptible words of a racist, white South African.

You're probably a paid up member of the AWB, but I'll cut you some slack, because you're probably still mourning the death of Eugène Terre'Blanche, your beloved Fuhrer.

BTW, what you said never happened. It was the IRISH who advanced on the haka; and if you understood anything about Haka, you would understand that it is a challenge, and you are EXPECTED to stand up and face it down.. we love it when an opponent does this... any Maori elder will tell you that, but you are just too ignorant to understand.

When Wales and the All Blacks had their staring match a few years back, Maori here loved it, Wales showing a display of determination, it was only the British media that made a big deal about it, again from a position of sheer ignorance.

I don't have a clue how the sentence you quoted can be construed as racism and then you go on to ensinuate that all white South Africans are racists... rather ironic. I'd thank you to not generalise and be a bit more considerate on what is a touchy subject in our country.
 
Can we all drop this, it's getting boring.
 
No. You can criticise the All Blacks all you like, you can call them cheats, you can say they suck etc etc, it will all be water of a ducks back..

But that is NOT what you are doing. You are making racist and bigoted, and more importantly, untrue statements about a part of the culture of New Zealand that is very important to us. You don't find New Zealanders on this forum making derogatory statements about Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime beliefs, or Kwa-Zulu Cultural history, or Scottish Celtic heritage.

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I'm still waiting for you to quote my 'racist and bigotted' statement. Your racist and bigotted statement has already been quoted twice, but here it is again:

smartcooky said:
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Just the contemptible words of a racist, white South African.

You're probably a paid up member of the AWB, but I'll cut you some slack, because you're probably still mourning the death of Eugène Terre'Blanche, your beloved Fuhrer.

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I don't have a clue how the sentence you quoted can be construed as racism and then you go on to ensinuate that all white South Africans are racists... rather ironic. I'd thank you to not generalise and be a bit more considerate on what is a touchy subject in our country.

Thanks. I thought I was the only one who could see the irony in that.
 
For the rest where's the second string ? That paper has been written by someone who obviously was frozen just after 2007...Harinordoquy was at its peak in 2007, now other players are challenging him seriously.

Harinordoquy was not at his peak in 2007, he was at his peak during 2009/2010 Grand Slam season and the couple of seasons of his career in 2002/03 and 2003/04 apart in between that he hasn't been great
 
You're right about the new haka. It was created for SA because they often stood up to the haka and walked towards them - not at all infringing on the 'performance' itself, just closing the distance. France have also walked towards it, I seem to remember Chabal doing it... anyway, the IRB have made a 10m rule - nobody is allowed within 10m of the song and dance!

I can imagine someone at Nz rugby union writing to their mates at the IRB like the parents of spoilt school children writing to their school, complaining that their little darlings had to do cross country in the drizzle and now they have the sniffles.

So if we want to be rugby supporters I guess we have to humour the kiwis, let them win 'their' world cup so they don't throw their toys out of the pram again. If SA have the 'honour and the privilege' of being NZ's opposition at 'their world cup' I hope they walk towards it. If they are impudent enough to go on and beat the All Blacks, no doubt the haka encroachment will go down with the food poisoning and Jauzion forward pass yarns the kiwis like to wheel out
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What a reasonable assumption to make about me!

Yeah of course, anyone who criticises their cosy little rugby culture must be from the AWB... the National Front... the Ku Klux Klan... what are you on, guy?

NZ are the only ones who benefit from the 10m rule! When any team stands up to it by walking forward or staring after they steal the limelight from the most attention-seeking team around!

I'd drop the issue like I suggested. Your comments are obviously inflamatory are patronising. End it now.
 
Another Kiwi's views:

Standing up to Haka - bring it on! Loved what the Welsh did in Cardiff in '08 and more than happy to see other teams accept the challenge however they see fit. This idea that it is the All Blacks that had anything to do with the 10m rule is kinda weird. You will be hard pressed to find any Kiwi rugby fan that doesn't love the nose to nose stuff - it's what the haka is all about.

Kaino - he has been immense this world cup and I genuinely believe he is one of the cleanest players around. The elbow thing on Saturday was much ado about nothing and that whole incident reflects way worse on Yachvili than it does on Kaino. Now if Kaino starts to make a habit of that kind of thing then I will change my view of him but as a one off it was really nothing.

Tackle by Jane - come on, he was totally focussed on the ball right until the final moment. There was no malice there whatsoever. I would have accepted a penalty (almost as a technicality) but anyone who says it should have been a yellow card cannot be looking at that incident impartially or simply doesn't understand rugby. The ref and the touch-judge both had good views of the incident and agreed that there was nothing in it. The so-called 'block' by Carter in the first couple of minutes is even less of an issue.

Refs biased towards New Zealand - I haven't seen anything to suggest this at all. The only evidence that seems to be presented is the Jane tackle in the air and the 'block' by Carter - that evidence ain't worth ****. As others have said though, there might be a general bias towards sides that are physically dominant - especially at scrum time - but that is pretty reasonable. I am prepared to change my view here if someone can actually present some balanced evidence to show I am wrong.

callsign.springbok - I don't know if you are racist or not and I think the accusation is unjustified. I do however think you are ignorant and completely biased against New Zealand and your opinions lack credibility.
 
Now, to my fellow NZ posters... still any doubt about SBW on the wing? Or now is it going to be "He has to play against Aus/SA for me to be convince"... because I believe someone said Clerc/Medard were going to turn him inside out...
 

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