Premiership 24/25 - Round 4

[Crash Hamster]

I too went for Reed as captain; holding that all-important fourth place...

 

[Rinkadink]

Wasn't mentioned in comms but I think Warr had a very good game tonight. Yes, presentation for him was largely great but he did so much right, including consistent basics such as fast, accurate passing and options which is an oft-underappreciated skill from 9.

 

[Crash Hamster]

Wasn't mentioned in comms but I think Warr had a very good game tonight. Yes, presentation for him was largely great but he did so much right, including consistent basics such as fast, accurate passing and options which is an oft-underappreciated skill from 9.

Agreed, nothing too flashy, but very solid with excellent delivery.

If he were at Saracens (and I think that Sarries would suit him), he'd be playing for England... as it is...

 

[Geordie]

Didn't bother to watch it, but checked in and ....well what a surprise.

Can't see me watching another for a while.

 

[Which Tyler]

Really?
Genuinely surprised at that, Gloucester/Bath feels like a forced geographic rivalry - always thought Bristol/Bath was the proper one

Bristol hate Bath, Bath are busy with Gloucester and Leicester as our rivals.

See how the teams were last week, versus how they are likely to be this week.

Bristol Bath is a "proper" rivalry like England Wales or England Scotland are. England is Wales' biggest rival, but England are busy with France and Australia. Dislike going the other way is mostly for a few loud and obnoxious fans, rather than the club/nation itself.
If/when Bath and Bristol are in different competitions, or pools, Bath fans generally want Bristol to do well. Not so much the other way around.

 

[Geordie]

Isn't Bath a suburb of Bristol?

 

[General Melchett]

Agreed, nothing too flashy, but very solid with excellent delivery.

If he were at Saracens (and I think that Sarries would suit him), he'd be playing for England... as it is...

Warr has declared his allegiance to the Scots and was capped against Canada in the summer. Good to see that he's playing well though.

 

[Dr T]

Agreed, nothing too flashy, but very solid with excellent delivery.

If he were at Saracens (and I think that Sarries would suit him), he'd be playing for England... as it is...

If playing at 9 for Saracens whilst winning multiple Premierships and European cups wasn't enough to shift Ben Youngs out of the England team in favour of the vastly superior Ben Spencer, then I don't see why Warr playing at 9 for Saracens would have got him capped for England. Youngs was a bottleneck curse for England. Easily the worst player to achieve 100+ caps at any level.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Is pretty funny that Spencer and Warr seem 100% tailor made to what we wanted from our 9s for so long, but instead we persevered trying to shoehorn others into that play style instead



Thought it was a good outing for BC, Roebuck and Carpenter - hope Roebuck gets a run this autumn, will be a big ask to displace any of the starters but maybe a run out vs Japan? Really do think his aerial ability is something none of our other options offer and would add an extra attacking option with Furbank looking to be our first choice 15 for a while

Also hope Carpenter gets to play 15 in the A game - Hodge is a glass cannon, be much better off investing the time into Carps

 

[Crash Hamster]

Warr has declared his allegiance to the Scots and was capped against Canada in the summer. Good to see that he's playing well though.

Indeed, that's why I posted '...as it is...'

 

[BPM]

If playing at 9 for Saracens whilst winning multiple Premierships and European cups wasn't enough to shift Ben Youngs out of the England team in favour of the vastly superior Ben Spencer, then I don't see why Warr playing at 9 for Saracens would have got him capped for England. Youngs was a bottleneck curse for England. Easily the worst player to achieve 100+ caps at any level.

At points in his career he was very good. Particularly early on. Spencer has never shown anything like his Premiership form at test level so to claim he is 'vastly superior' is a little odd IMO.

 

[General Melchett]

One of England's biggest failures at 9 was letting Ben White slip through the net. Think he would have solved.a lot of issues but for that to have happened you'd have needed a HC who could (a) spot talent and (b) actually pick players on merit.

 

[Crash Hamster]

At points in his career he was very good. Particularly early on. Spencer has never shown anything like his Premiership form at test level so to claim he is 'vastly superior' is a little odd IMO.

I feel that Premiership-winning, Grand Slam-winning, Peter-Steph du Toit-stepping, Six Nations Championship winning British and Irish Lion Ben Youngs wasn't a bad player, but maybe was kept on at international level for longer than he should have been.

 

[Dr T]

At points in his career he was very good. Particularly early on. Spencer has never shown anything like his Premiership form at test level so to claim he is 'vastly superior' is a little odd IMO.

By test level, you mean the 16 minutes (SIXTEEN) he played in 5 (FIVE) matches, all as a last minute sub?

 

[Dr T]

I feel that Premiership-winning, Grand Slam-winning, Peter-Steph du Toit-stepping, Six Nations Championship winning British and Irish Lion Ben Youngs wasn't a bad player, but maybe was kept on at international level for longer than he should have been.

Agreed, by about 85 caps too long.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lucky not to get a yellow for that - not a PT but still a no arms on the try line (and the third penalty in the 5m)

 

[Rinkadink]

Exeter just clearing out from the side all game so far, including for the penalty against Oghre who TBF was off his feet, but he was only off feet due to clear out coming at 90 degree angle.

 

[Which Tyler]

Ball dropped backwards, but then his own hand is the first on it.

If they hadn't been playing advantage, would that be try? Or goal-line drop out? I think the 2nd, but not sure (very rare example - also not 100% it was Barb's hand)

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If they hadn't been playing advantage, would that be try? Or goal-line drop out? I think the 2nd, but not sure (very rare example)

Thinking the latter, too - feel like any form of losing control seems to be a no try situation when the goal line is involved

 

[Which Tyler]

Pity we've run out of wingers to put out there. Happy to take Ash's word on what a winger would be expecting, but all 4 of our specialists are out injured.

ETA: same problem on the other wing in defence TBH (Emens is a 7s player with half a season of university rugby in XV)