[November Tests 2016 EOYT] Ireland vs. New Zealand (19/11/2016)

[KeyboardWorrier]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...terview-with-rte-got-a-bit-tetchy-764901.html

Wow. That's pretty poor interviewing. It was quite obvious to anyone watching that the ref was a tad biased, especially in the first half. Even with that though, the All Blacks were able to keep the Irish scoreless throughout the match.

 

[GoTheNaki]

When Hansen was interviewed by the kiwi presenter, he said all he wishes for in every game is referee consistency. And no, I don't feel Peyper was consistent. He showed this in his breakdown situations imo.

 

[The Jones Boy]

I love what one Irish supporter wrote,

"Donald Trump doesn't need to build a wall. Just put a load of lads from New Zealand on the Mexican border."

 

[Rich Taff]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/break...terview-with-rte-got-a-bit-tetchy-764901.html

Wow. That's pretty poor interviewing. It was quite obvious to anyone watching that the ref was a tad biased, especially in the first half. Even with that though, the All Blacks were able to keep the Irish scoreless throughout the match.

"Rugby is a shifting game, when you have ball carriers that move, as well as the Irish do, they're going to change direction. We're sometimes going to make mistakes, and sometimes people fall into tackles too."

Apparently Irish move, as well as ball carriers. Very amateur report all over.

 

[The Jones Boy]

I completely missed the game because of a gig I had to do, the write ups are saying it was a brutal physical encounter.
Sounds like Barrett had a bit of a blinder.
Aaron Smith must have got the hump with Conor Murray being so good because apparently he took him out at a ruck in a cynical fashion and got himself foolishly sent to the bin.
Fekitoa went to the bin as well so we spent 20 minutes of a tough test match away from home with only 14 players on the park. Apparently we shipped 6 points in that time frame, two kicks.
Nice work from the defence but Smith sounds like he needs a kick up the chuff hard enough for his grandmother to feel.
Fekitoa scored two tries?
What the heck happened there?
Apparently Retallick and Whitlock were superb?

 

[smartcooky]

I completely missed the game because of a gig I had to do, the write ups are saying it was a brutal physical encounter.
Sounds like Barrett had a bit of a blinder.
Aaron Smith must have got the hump with Conor Murray being so good because apparently he took him out at a ruck in a cynical fashion and got himself foolishly sent to the bin.
Fekitoa went to the bin as well so we spent 20 minutes of a tough test match away from home with only 14 players on the park. Apparently we shipped 6 points in that time frame, two kicks.
Nice work from the defence but Smith sounds like he needs a kick up the chuff hard enough for his grandmother to feel.
Fekitoa scored two tries?
What the heck happened there?
Apparently Retallick and Whitlock were superb?

I thought what Aaron Smith did was perfectly legal, and the penalty & yellow card was a crock of sh¡te

The ball rolled behind the hindmost foot of the hindmost Irish player, therefore it was out of the ruck and on open play. Smith came from an onside position and kicked the ball before the Irish 9 had a chance to pick it up. I see no penalty there at all.

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

Yep, no penalty there.

 

[The Jones Boy]

Ok, I haven't seen it yet so I'll be keen to look at it tomorrow and assess it for myself.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ok I twisted drunk. 2 things.
1. Ireland can be proud.
2. New Zealand are a class act and deservedly won. Gracious in defeat and victory. Congrats guys

 

[profitius]

The game is worth watching for Beauden Barrett's performance alone.


From an Ireland point of view it was normal service resumed. Can't score enough tries! Chicago was an anomaly but looking at that all the tries came via the pack effort. Schmidt has to develop a more balanced game plan and get more out of the back line in terms of attack. That will involve dropping some of his un droppables.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

The game is worth watching for Beauden Barrett's performance alone.


From an Ireland point of view it was normal service resumed. Can't score enough tries! Chicago was an anomaly but looking at that all the tries came via the pack effort. Schmidt has to develop a more balanced game plan and get more out of the back line in terms of attack. That will involve dropping some of his un droppables.

We were playing without a 12. Give us Henshaw and we win, give us Marshall we have a chance.

We showed today we are not a one off side, we also showeds that our depth isn't infallible. Cover 12 and 13 from the bench and we join England and NZ in royalty.

 

[GoTheNaki]

We were playing without a 12. Give us Henshaw and we win, give us Marshall we have a chance.

We showed today we are not a one off side, we also showeds that our depth isn't infallible. Cover 12 and 13 from the bench and we join England and NZ in royalty.

I don't like people who just casually speculate. Give us 80 minutes with 15 men, and we win. By more. Notice how the period in which we ALWAYS score, we had to deal with 14 players and defend.

Give us Nehe Milner-Skudder, and we win by more. Give us Nonu and Conrad Smith, and we win by more. Or perhaps, Charlie Ngatai and Sonny Bill Williams?

Pointless. Pointless statements. It's just bitter speculation.

Don't think I'm serious. Just, my statements are as good as yours.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I don't like people who just casually speculate. Give us 80 minutes with 15 men, and we win. By more. Notice how the period in which we ALWAYS score, we had to deal with 14 players and defend.

Give us Nehe Milner-Skudder, and we win by more. Give us Nonu and Conrad Smith, and we win by more. Or perhaps, Charlie Ngatai and Sonny Bill Williams?

Pointless. Pointless statements. It's just bitter speculation.

Don't think I'm serious. Just, my statements are as good as yours.

That's fair analysis. Difference is, in my opinion, that Henshaw started the match and was integral to our plan, Nehe, Conrad and Nonu weren't for you.

Henshaw is the best 12 in world rugby by a distance, us without him is the equivalent to you without Brodie two weeks ago, with Henshaw we break the line more consistently and score tries and without him we suffer. It's an assumption to say we win the game with him but I believe that our dominance in territory and possession with his cutting edge added to the attack and his improved defence that we win that game. All speculative, all irrelevant but my drunk analysis all the same!

 

[The Jones Boy]

Just watched the replay of the yellow card for Aaron Smith; wow, what a shocking decision from the ref.
The ruck had disintegrated, Smith came from behind the last feet and moved forward as the ruck disintegrated, Conor Murray looked like he was half asleep and Smith was on him.
Perfectly legal and definitely not a penalty for aggressive defensive thinking. The ball was clearly out and the Irish no.9 was caught napping.
How Smith copped a yellow there is beyond the pale.
Thats rugby.
Only one person to blame for that decision, that was all down to the referee.

On the Barrett try there was a side angle that showed the ball was clearly down, only for a moment, but that is all it needs and that is what TMO's are for...

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

Just watched the replay of the yellow card for Aaron Smith; wow, what a shocking decision from the ref.
The ruck had disintegrated, Smith came from behind the last feet and moved forward as the ruck disintegrated, Conor Murray looked like he was half asleep and Smith was on him.
Perfectly legal and definitely not a penalty for aggressive defensive thinking. The ball was clearly out and the Irish no.9 was caught napping.
How Smith copped a yellow there is beyond the pale.
Thats rugby.
Only one person to blame for that decision, that was all down to the referee.

On the Barrett try there was a side angle that showed the ball was clearly down, only for a moment, but that is all it needs and that is what TMO's are for...

Hey you, didn't you hear? The All Blacks are cheaters. Don't defend them.

/sarcasm

 

[The Jones Boy]

Ireland were tough and physical again but on attack they just lacked something in the last pass and the last movement and of course the AB defence was back to it's solid self again and denied so many charges at the line by Ireland.
I thought the AB's also bombed a couple of certain try scoring opportunities. If Coles had have passed to Aaron Smith a split second earlier on the left wing after the break, and Barrett didn't get the ball passed the full backs outstretched fingers either.
Unlucky but that would have been 14 points in the bag.
Savea looked a bit absent and Naholo lacked impact as well.
It wasn't a game for our wingers.
Fekitoa looked the best he has for a long time but he still didn't need to slip his arm up on Sexton. It wasn't malicious but it was bloody stupid. He is ok but Moala looks the better option if he can shake off his injury prone run.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

France will be licking their lips at the prospect of NZ trying to thug them the way they did Ireland. Dumpy little pillock of a ref needs banning

- - - Updated - - -



Nah you're not cheats, just thugs
Good luck trying to play dirty against France because they will eat you alive
Dumpy little prat of a ref needs banning
And don't get too cocky about your missed opportunities either, we had loads as well
Liked you in defeat last time out, thought you were gracious, but yesterday reminded me why I can't stand you

Don't let the hangover consume you lad.

 

[The Jones Boy]

Don't let the hangover consume you lad.

Thats a good call.

Nah they behaved like *rseholes mate and there need to be serious repercussions. If there are not then the French will provide them anyway hopefully.
But let's not take too many negs from yesterday; we played ok and the main thing about this Autumn for us was that magical, wonderful day two weeks ago.

We played rugby mate. Thats what we do. 2 weeks ago you were better than us, and you deserved the victory.
Yesterday you were not as good as you were two weeks ago, and we were better than we were 2 weeks ago.
I wasn't happy but satisfied. I thought we could have been more clinical but this is a predominantly young AB team.
I wasn't happy with Fekitoas high arm on Simon Zebo, I like Zebo, he's a class act. Fekitoa was punished in the right way in one of the few decisions the ref gave that I could actually fathom.
I don't believe there was malice in Fekitoas action just too much uncontrolled aggression and he put his hand up straight away.
It was a classic game but as per usual it won't be seen as such because we won, again.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Nah they behaved like *rseholes mate and there need to be serious repercussions. If there are not then the French will provide them anyway hopefully.
But let's not take too many negs from yesterday; we played ok and the main thing about this Autumn for us was that magical, wonderful day two weeks ago.

It was the second time we got bullied and lost this year, the first being Paris, I can tell you Joe Schmidt and his leadership team are worried about that instead of NZ not playing nice. We're back to losing against NZ and that's not good enough considering we're the best equipped team to beat them in world rugby right now, that's the biggest 'neg' from yesterday.

I'll give my hungover reaction as promised...

I'm disappointed but immensely proud, that was a game we really should have won, we bossed up front and dominated every facet of play apart from the scoreboard and dark arts. I'm convinced that we win that game with Robbie Henshaw playing 80 minutes because, while not out of his depth and proving that he's our 13, Ringrose couldn't get the go forward ball in the 12 channel that Robbie does to create space and tries. Schmidt will learn that he needs to cover 12 in this squad but that will come when Ringrose wins his starting place.
NZ won that game because their backs (read 10-15) can score from nothing and did so on two occasions while ours couldn't create jack with all the possession in the world facing that black sea. Murray and Payne know they can do better than yesterday too. Chance wasted but it'll stand to us when we're lifting a little gold trophy in Tokyo in three years time! (Genuinely my next bet)
NZ as class in victory as defeat and I wish I could say the same about us.

This reads jerky as ****!

 

[The Jones Boy]

Don't let the hangover consume you lad.

Thats a good call.

Nah they behaved like *rseholes mate and there need to be serious repercussions. If there are not then the French will provide them anyway hopefully.
But let's not take too many negs from yesterday; we played ok and the main thing about this Autumn for us was that magical, wonderful day two weeks ago.

We played rugby mate. Thats what we do. 2 weeks ago you were better than us, and you deserved the victory.
Yesterday you were not as good as you were two weeks ago, and we were better than we were 2 weeks ago.
I wasn't happy but satisfied. I thought we could have been more clinical but this is a predominantly young AB team.
I wasn't happy with Fekitoas high arm on Simon Zebo, I like Zebo, he's a class act. Fekitoa was punished in the right way in one of the few decisions the ref gave that I could actually fathom.
I don't believe there was malice in Fekitoas action just too much uncontrolled aggression and he put his hand up straight away.
It was a classic game but as per usual it won't be seen as such because we won, again.