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They might do on 4th Downs and 2 point conversions.

I see this a lot on Canadian gridiron teams(though on 3rd downs ;) ), where teams use a short yardage QB, who perfects some of the sneaks and quickhand offs along with short dump passes and bootlegs. It generally works quite well and it mgith be a decent role for Tebow, who can also fill in at Special Teams work as well.

Good to see him get the heck out of the Jets organization, I don't rate Tebow too highly but he wasn't even given a chance to do anything, and it's always drama and a mess down there. With the Pats they actually look after their players.
 
The american footballers are bigger than rugby players? Because, for example:

Haloti Ngata (Baltimore Ravens) - Height: 6ft 4 in (1.93 m) and Weight: 340 lb (154 kg)

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I don't know any international rugby player has those numbers. The heavier rugby players I know are Ben Tameifuna (Chiefs - New Zealanda) and Mako Vunipola (Saracens - England)

Ben Tameifuna - Height: 1.82 m (5 ft 11 1/2 in) and Weight: 140 kg (22 st 1 lb)

Mako Vunipola - Height: 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in) and Weight: 130 kg (20 st 7 lb)

Do you think that the american footballers are stronger than rugby players?

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Do you think that the american footballers are stronger than rugby players?

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I don't think you can compare the two. Linebackers for instance, have much less to do during a game than props to give an example. The NFL is a sport where you can use explosive force 3 or 4 times before being subbed or before possession switches. In rugby, players need a more overall skill-set including stamina for instance.
 
I don't think you can compare the two. Linebackers for instance, have much less to do during a game than props to give an example. The NFL is a sport where you can use explosive force 3 or 4 times before being subbed or before possession switches. In rugby, players need a more overall skill-set including stamina for instance.

Ok, so they are a little bigger but our rugby players are more complete, have more skills. Rugby players have to defend and attack at the same time for 80 minutes and they don't. Do you think that the best rugby players could push back the strongest american footballers as Haloti Ngata? For example: Tendai Mtawarira

Halota Ngata - Height: 6ft 4 in (1.93 m) and Weight: 340 lb (154 kg)
Tendai Mtawarira - Height: 6 ft 1 in (1.86 m) and Weight: 256 lb; 18 st 4 lb (116 kg)

Regards
 
Ok, so they are a little bigger but our rugby players are more complete, have more skills. Rugby players have to defend and attack at the same time for 80 minutes and they don't. Do you think that the best rugby players could push back the strongest american footballers as Haloti Ngata? For example: Tendai Mtawarira

Halota Ngata - Height: 6ft 4 in (1.93 m) and Weight: 340 lb (154 kg)
Tendai Mtawarira - Height: 6 ft 1 in (1.86 m) and Weight: 256 lb; 18 st 4 lb (116 kg)

Regards

In what context?
 
Ok, so they are a little bigger but our rugby players are more complete, have more skills. Rugby players have to defend and attack at the same time for 80 minutes and they don't. Do you think that the best rugby players could push back the strongest american footballers as Haloti Ngata? For example: Tendai Mtawarira

Halota Ngata - Height: 6ft 4 in (1.93 m) and Weight: 340 lb (154 kg)
Tendai Mtawarira - Height: 6 ft 1 in (1.86 m) and Weight: 256 lb; 18 st 4 lb (116 kg)

Regards
Ngata is kind of the wrong person to pick, as he's arguably one of the most complete athletes at his position.

Maybe a "run of the mill" (i.e. maybe not as freakish as Ngata) would be a more fair comparison. Also, The Beast is "only" about 260 pounds; he's giving up a lot.

I do agree that rugby players, in general, are fitter or more complete.
 
Ngata is kind of the wrong person to pick, as he's arguably one of the most complete athletes at his position.

Maybe a "run of the mill" (i.e. maybe not as freakish as Ngata) would be a more fair comparison. Also, The Beast is "only" about 260 pounds; he's giving up a lot.

I do agree that rugby players, in general, are fitter or more complete.

So in rugby, we don't have a player the size of Ngata and with this technique?


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The strongest, most powerful, fastest, heaviest guys in the NFL will be faster, heavier, stronger... than those in rugby.
It's simply a matter of fitness/appropriate conditioning.

The cardio and endurance requirements of rugby players limits how big they can be, and thus their top end "measurables".
NFL players have minimal cardio/endurance requirements in comparison, therefore can pretty much get as big/fast/strong as they can.

You then factor in that the NFL is drawing it's athletes from a much bigger pool of players, and therefore a lot more athletic freaks, and those athletic extremes are bumped up further.
And that many positions are far more reliant on athletic ability so less players are ruled out by a lack of particular skills.

I would say that the general level of conditioning in professional rugby could/should be a lot better than it currently is.
You look at a lot of guys, and hear the numbers they put up in the gym or in sprints or whatever, and they really aren't very impressive a lot of the time.
There are some phenomenal athletes in rugby, but equally there are a lot that are far below their potential.
It's a cultural thing more than anything from what I can tell, the USA has a very well developed strength and conditioning culture/industry in comparison to the countries in which rugby is a major sport.
 
So in rugby, we don't have a player the size of Ngata and with this technique?


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Don't think so.

The strongest, most powerful, fastest, heaviest guys in the NFL will be faster, heavier, stronger... than those in rugby.
It's simply a matter of fitness/appropriate conditioning.

The cardio and endurance requirements of rugby players limits how big they can be, and thus their top end "measurables".
NFL players have minimal cardio/endurance requirements in comparison, therefore can pretty much get as big/fast/strong as they can.

You then factor in that the NFL is drawing it's athletes from a much bigger pool of players, and therefore a lot more athletic freaks, and those athletic extremes are bumped up further.
And that many positions are far more reliant on athletic ability so less players are ruled out by a lack of particular skills.

I would say that the general level of conditioning in professional rugby could/should be a lot better than it currently is.
You look at a lot of guys, and hear the numbers they put up in the gym or in sprints or whatever, and they really aren't very impressive a lot of the time.
There are some phenomenal athletes in rugby, but equally there are a lot that are far below their potential.
It's a cultural thing more than anything from what I can tell, the USA has a very well developed strength and conditioning culture/industry in comparison to the countries in which rugby is a major sport.
Agreed.

I think if you developed a Pierre Spies, Julian Savea, Digby Ioane etc in an NFL environment; they'd be superstars as well. Same goes for the other top end NFL players; just the other way around.
 
What is the difference between the tackle of american football compared to rugby tackle?


From what little I saw of american football, they can strike almost anywhere in the body, right? They can hit in the chest? They can grab their opponents neck? The tackle of American football is like a Samoan tackle? Dirty, without much technical
 
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What is the difference between the tackle of american football compared to rugby tackle?


From what little I saw of american football, they can strike almost anywhere in the body, right? They can hit in the chest? They can grab their opponents neck? The tackle of American football is like a Samoan tackle? Dirty, without much technical

There are rules, you can't lead with the helmet. You can't tackle your opponent by grabbing his facemask or the scruff of their jersey from behind. Aside from that anything goes really, the extra padding is there for a reason but there is technique required to make a good hit and some are very similar to rugby tackles.

A good example of a perfectly legal, rugby style but thunderous hit.
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There are rules, you can't lead with the helmet. You can't tackle your opponent by grabbing his facemask or the scruff of their jersey from behind. Aside from that anything goes really, the extra padding is there for a reason but there is technique required to make a good hit and some are very similar to rugby tackles.

A good example of a perfectly legal, rugby style but thunderous hit.
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Yeah, but not always the american football tackles are so, most of the time are dirty, comparing them with rugby tackles. Can you explain as are most of the american football tackles? As would be a standard american football tackle?

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So, Aaron Hernandez has landed himself in strife somewhat. Faces a 1st degree murder charge and a number of weapon charges. Whilst I have no idea what is alleged to have gone on it's a shame that hes seemingly thrown away his talent and career like this but then again if hes done what was alleged then he deserves what he may get.
 
So, Aaron Hernandez has landed himself in strife somewhat. Faces a 1st degree murder charge and a number of weapon charges. Whilst I have no idea what is alleged to have gone on it's a shame that hes seemingly thrown away his talent and career like this but then again if hes done what was alleged then he deserves what he may get.

Reminds me a lot of Ray Carruth from the late 90's early 2000's. Patriots wasting no time in releasing him.


Edit: Sounds pretty horrible the alleged crime...he would probably be facing the death penalty if convicted in some states but Massachusets I beleive does not have it....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
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This is insane.

Fall from grace and reality check for the Patriots, and especially their (generally) smug fans.
 
Just been pointed out by Kevin Cadle is that this train of thought that a certain Mr Tebow could play TE might just get tested in the run up to opening day.
 
Just been pointed out by Kevin Cadle is that this train of thought that a certain Mr Tebow could play TE might just get tested in the run up to opening day.

That could be a good fit for him, and get him some snaps on the field, I also think tebow will do some special teams work.

Speaking of gridiron the Canadian season gets started tommorow night, although the team I support dosen't play until Friday night.
 
Just unbelievable what is happening with Hernandes, guy has it all and then throws it away.
 

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