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Rumours circulating that Gio Compario isn't Italian Q.
What's tenuous about a granny link? Either you have the requisite parentage or you don't.I have some sympathy with the numbers for Wales/Ireland/Scotland as they have more of a disapora than the English do - however Scotland take the **** with how much they target foreign players (both with tenuous Granny-links and full blooded like their Saffa contingent)
As far as I'm aware no one else does this, or at least not as aggressively (Wales do to an extent, and Ireland have their Exiles sides)
it already does.I'm an advocate of the granny rule because I think it'd be ******* mental if rugby had stricter requirements to qualify to play for a country than some of its participants do for citizenship. Getting rid of it could possibly cause weird legal issues and inconsistent requirements from country to country if challenged also.
I'm fine with the current rules, where I object is Wales and Scotland abusing the system to gain players cheaply rather than investing in the youth of their own country. Wales are letting English clubs train Welsh talent then forcing them to move to the regions and Scotland are just leading a race to the bottom capping young players. I haven't changed my mind, I think it should be, if you play internationally at u20s level then you can't be capped by another country for 3-5 years.I'm an advocate of the granny rule because I think it'd be ******* mental if rugby had stricter requirements to qualify to play for a country than some of its participants do for citizenship. Getting rid of it could possibly cause weird legal issues and inconsistent requirements from country to country if challenged also.
Could you provide an example? I thought the US was incredibly difficult to gain citizenship to. I can't fathom how you have citizens who weren't born in the US, haven't lived there for 5 consecutive years and don't have direct relatives born there for 2 generations.it already does.
edit: world rugby is solely jus soli. Nations with jus sanguinis citizenship laws would be likely to have citizens not eligible to play for the national team.
For instance in the United States you get to keep your inherited citizenship if you reside in the United States for a period of time if you are born outside the United States. There are American citizens who would not be eligible to play for the United States because the granny rule only cares about the birth of your parent or grandparent; not where they lived, where they had citizenship, or anything that actually had to deal with their life.
That's mad! I still back the granny rule for other reasons and I think any citizenship you have as a birth right should stand but that one concern I had clearly doesn't apply!I can't give you a person. But for example. Your great grandparents (both born in USA) have your grandfather while one of them is working abroad. They return home to raise that kid til he is 22. Grandfather then marries an international woman, she wants to give birth to your mother in her own country cause that's how women be. They then come back to the USA and raise your mother there til she's 18. She goes to study in England has you with an English-lad. You are an American citizen but you wouldn't be able to play for the US until you did the residency requirement.
also: from what I've been reading on Italy citizenship law it's very likely the Italian players mentioned were eligible for citizenship before being eligible to play for Italy
It makes them both, and I'd be surprised if there's anyone on this board who doesn't know someone who feels a genuine and strong connection with a country other than that they live in; or to have that for both countries.I just think that the granny rule is bad cause it only includes one datapoint in a person's life. However it is super convenient cause you just need a person's birth certificate to verify. I think that a granny rule that included the actual contents of a person's life would be much more beneficial. Doesn't make sense to me that a person born in England but raised in Wales make them English? It's just lazy law writing.
As person who would just prefer it to be residency based (with youth years counting more) I think this is a sensible compromise.My personal reference for tightening things up would be...
Base requirement of 6 years resident to represent any country.
Any years before your 18th birthday counts as 2 years.
Any parent born in that country, counts as 3 years.
Any grandparent born in that country, counts as 2 years.
This is the issue though. Is nationality purely based on physically living/being born somewhere or is it an identity? Yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about their heritage, but there are also others who while born and raised in one country, identify more with the country of their ancestors.I'm against the granny rule. I don't see why someone who has not lived in a country nor their parents represent them just because they 'feel' like it (or in reality arnt good enough for their other country).
I call those types of people plastic welsh. Claim to be welsh but no real connection and often support England at football.
Well you can't identify as being from another country though. There may be plenty of people who like to think like this but it's BS. Just because you identify as anything it doesn't change the fact they have no link to that country, it's all about them just not being good enough for their actual home nation.This is the issue though. Is nationality purely based on physically living/being born somewhere or is it an identity? Yes there are plenty of people who couldn't care less about their heritage, but there are also others who while born and raised in one country, identify more with the country of their ancestors.
I'd be happy with @Which Tyler's proposal where grandparents get you 2 years worth of residency out of 6, but you still have to go and play in the country.
DSLD?People who aren't DSLD aren't wrong, just because they don't think like DSLD.
And we're not talking about people with no link to a country, we're talking about people with a strong link to a country, just that DSLD thinks shouldn't.
BMG, WT etcDSLD?