MMA/UFC thread

[Leonormous Boozer]

It's bad that he punched a guy who hasn't touched him and wasn't even looking at him.
Was he climbing the cage to fight outside? Maybe, no way of knowing because the security did their job and stopped them - which is what Conor should have left them to do.

Like I said, no one in this is innocent, I just think it's crazy how they're already spinning this as Conor the shrinking violet doing nothing wrong when technically he assaulted someone while on probation for assault.

It's reasonable to believe he was going to attack when he mounted the fence after Khabib had done exactly that, McGregor gets away with self defence 10 times out of 10 in either of our jurisdictions there, probably the US too considering the ties between the legal systems.

 

[Chief Pete]

Funny as F@@K watching Dana address the media, he's been in the sport for 18 years and has been paramount in it's emergence but to be disappointed or shocked at what happened is so Naïve of him....

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

And sadly Khabib destroyed all that by becoming 1 of the scumbags too

I understand what you mean, but i disagree. It's bad for the sport and for khabib's immage, but Khabib was building nothing so there was nothing to destroy. He hadn't been arrested (prior to this), he is not wearing fancy suits, nor using RR's to move around, nor promoting his whiskey. His only purpose was to prove that if he faced connor or anyone from his camp, in our outside the octagon, he would not only win but destroy them. We wanted to prove to a wanna be gangster how gangsters really act. I believe, in fact i have no doubt, that he achieved that purpose. In spades.

You might not like his purpose, and neither do i for the matter, but he doesn't give a flying turd, and that is kind of the point.
He gave macgregor a beating that connor's ancestors, those he claims were fighting the english invaders, still felt. There's no witty comeback after that.

He basically destroyed connor's persona.

 

[munstermuffin]

Does Khabib loose all his purse now or is it just held until final investigation

 

[munstermuffin]

I understand what you mean, but i disagree. It's bad for the sport and for khabib's immage, but Khabib was building nothing so there was nothing to destroy. He hadn't been arrested (prior to this), he is not wearing fancy suits, nor using RR's to move around, nor promoting his whiskey. His only purpose was to prove that if he faced connor or anyone from his camp, in our outside the octagon, he would not only win but destroy them. We wanted to prove to a wanna be gangster how gangsters really act. I believe, in fact i have no doubt, that he achieved that purpose. In spades.

You might not like his purpose, and neither do i for the matter, but he doesn't give a flying turd, and that is kind of the point.
He gave macgregor a beating that connor's ancestors, those he claims were fighting the english invaders, still felt. There's no witty comeback after that.

He basically destroyed connor's persona.

Yes he destroyed Conor. But did he destroy the persona. It's clear now you can get in Khabibs head. McGregor isn't a good enough wrestler but if someone was tjey know mentally now to attack Khabib.
Also Khabib destroyed his image of a classy respectful guy.

Does he prove he was better. Yes. However he's left a subplot now for a rematch. And well brrathes life back in to McGregor.
And you think McGregor will be quiet for that. No hope he will run his mouth again. Thats what he does and I not saying it right but well if Khabib beat McGregor then just rubbed it in celebrating with ***le and said "you're no challenge for me anymore" that would've hurt McGregor more. Instead Khabib couldn't even get belt last night.

Now I'd also say he didn't batter McGregor in sense Conor wasn't damaged or hurt. He outfought him. 2 different things.

 

[munstermuffin]

And as I say it. It's reported a rematch exists. And is very likely.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's reasonable to believe he was going to attack when he mounted the fence after Khabib had done exactly that, McGregor gets away with self defence 10 times out of 10 in either of our jurisdictions there, probably the US too considering the ties between the legal systems.

So does Zubair then, he only jumped in the cage after Conor punched Abubakar,
Apparently Vegas self defence laws also protect people defending a friend
If Zubair is getting cut so should Conor*


*</devils advocate>



I don't think Khabib really cares too much about how the media view him, he already made a post on Instagram with a photo of him and his dad saying he's sorry for doing it but his family's honour comes above anything.


Also he went for danis cause danis was calling him a terrorist through the cage throughout the fight.
When khabib threw his mouthpiece at him and said his boy tapped like a chicken danis told him to come out the cage and fight him

Next minute:

It was a dumb thing to do, and I'm not condoning his actions at all, but you have to admit it's pretty funny that the whole narrative was how scared khabib was of Conor's team, then Khabib completely dominated their best fighter then literally jumps feet first from the top of the cage into the crowd to fight the rest haha

And as I say it. It's reported a rematch exists. And is very likely.

Conor is just trying to get the fans to pressure the UFC for one.
Khabibs dad has said khabib is retiring in two years and he plans to fight Conor, Tony, GSP and whoever is 170 champ.
He already dad dicked Conor, I don't see him gifting him a rematch.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think Khabib could never fight again in UFC and be happy. He doesn't care one bit.

McGregor and the UFC are the only losers here, and even then they've both made millions and one will be occupied by a soon to be failing whiskey brand!

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

So does Zubair then, he only jumped in the cage after Conor punched Abubakar,
Apparently Vegas self defence laws also protect people defending a friend
If Zubair is getting cut so should Conor*


*</devils advocate>



I don't think Khabib really cares too much about how the media view him, he already made a post on Instagram with a photo of him and his dad saying he's sorry for doing it but his family's honour comes above anything.


Also he went for danis cause danis was calling him a terrorist through the cage throughout the fight.
When khabib threw his mouthpiece at him and said his boy tapped like a chicken danis told him to come out the cage and fight him

Next minute:

It was a dumb thing to do, and I'm not condoning his actions at all, but you have to admit it's pretty funny that the whole narrative was how scared khabib was of Conor's team, then Khabib completely dominated their best fighter then literally jumps feet first from the top of the cage into the crowd to fight the rest haha



Conor is just trying to get the fans the pressure the UFC for one.
Khabibs dad has said khabib is retiring in two years and he plans to fight Conor, Tony, GSP and whoever is 170 champ.
He already dad dicked Conor, I don't see him gifting him a rematch.

Legally I'd be worried if I was Khabib or the fella in red, the rest will have enough evidence to muddy the water anyway.

I don't care too much about the feud, everyone knows McGregor is base scum he was eventually going to provoke the wrong man but there should still be consequences for wrongdoing.

 

[Chief Pete]

McGregor and the UFC are the only losers here

They are also the 2 biggest culprits..

 

[munstermuffin]

So does Zubair then, he only jumped in the cage after Conor punched Abubakar,
Apparently Vegas self defence laws also protect people defending a friend
If Zubair is getting cut so should Conor*


*</devils advocate>



I don't think Khabib really cares too much about how the media view him, he already made a post on Instagram with a photo of him and his dad saying he's sorry for doing it but his family's honour comes above anything.


Also he went for danis cause danis was calling him a terrorist through the cage throughout the fight.
When khabib threw his mouthpiece at him and said his boy tapped like a chicken danis told him to come out the cage and fight him

Next minute:

It was a dumb thing to do, and I'm not condoning his actions at all, but you have to admit it's pretty funny that the whole narrative was how scared khabib was of Conor's team, then Khabib completely dominated their best fighter then literally jumps feet first from the top of the cage into the crowd to fight the rest haha



Conor is just trying to get the fans to pressure the UFC for one.
Khabibs dad has said khabib is retiring in two years and he plans to fight Conor, Tony, GSP and whoever is 170 champ.
He already dad dicked Conor, I don't see him gifting him a rematch.

I not saying a rematch should happen. As I said earlier it was such a distance in quality that there no valid point for one.
However you know UFC see it as $$$ and an even bigger payday than today.
Also Khabib may be tempted as he looks set to loose financially from actions.
Add it I think he's a bit ****** he didn't win by breaking a limb on Conor or ruining his face.

 

[munstermuffin]

I think Khabib could never fight again in UFC and be happy. He doesn't care one bit.

McGregor and the UFC are the only losers here, and even then they've both made millions and one will be occupied by a soon to be failing whiskey brand!

But add in both are rolling in it. McGregors whiskey did massively sell the last week or 2. But that was due to the event and people saying they'll buy a bottle for the event thats in it. He'd be smart to halt it now though.

But can guarantee Conor will file for bankruptcy before he's 55

 

[TRF_Olyy]

None of Conor's team are pressing charges, so that helps on the legal front.

I not saying a rematch should happen. As I said earlier it was such a distance in quality that there no valid point for one.
However you know UFC see it as $$$ and an even bigger payday than today.
Also Khabib may be tempted as he looks set to loose financially from actions.
Add it I think he's a bit ****** he didn't win by breaking a limb on Conor or ruining his face.

Yeah this post fight nonsense is the only thing I can think of keeping the rematch alive.
However I think once khabib goes back to Dagestan and his dad beats the **** out of him (he said post fight his dad's gonna batter him) and reminds him of their 2yr plan he might just focus on the Tony Ferguson fight.

I know what you mean about the damage though - the kimura in the 2nd rd was nasty, Conor is lucky he managed to slip his arm out cause Khabib definitely would have snapped his arm, tap or no tap

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Yes he destroyed Conor. But did he destroy the persona. It's clear now you can get in Khabibs head. McGregor isn't a good enough wrestler but if someone was tjey know mentally now to attack Khabib.
Also Khabib destroyed his image of a classy respectful guy.

Two points: first, Khabib was angered, probably infuriated by Conor's comments, granted. It was clear in his body language. The thing is, getting in someone's head implies doing something that tampers with that person's ability, and i dont see that being the case. He was asked before the fight, point blank, if he was anxious about it and he said he was, no hesitation. He added thou, that he knows how to manage his emotions.
Some people choke under pressure, some people don't. Khabib, apparently, does not. Some people make mistakes when they are angry. Some people use anger as a motivation.

Let me rephrase, if you think Conor's trash talk laid the groundwork on how to destabilize Khabib, i think you are incredibly wrong. Quite the contrary. fact, i think people are gonna think three times what they say to Khabib.

However he's left a subplot now for a rematch.

I dont think he did. Not at all.
In fact, i'd go as far as saying that Khabib would love a rematch and Conor wouldn't. Khabib didn't get enough.

And think about it this way: what's Connor gonna say in the pre-fight press conference? "look, my whiskey's logo in the canvas, next to my face after Khabib rearranged it"...
This was a winner take all event and Khabib won, in spades.
There's not comeback, no witty lines, no comical retort.

I don't think Khabib really cares too much about how the media view him, he already made a post on Instagram with a photo of him and his dad saying he's sorry for doing it but his family's honour comes above anything.

This, in spades. This is a guy who doesn't care about suits, cars, whiskeys and who's been training since he's 3 and getting into street fights while going to and from the gym to his home in dirt roads in the middle of the mountains.
This is a nasty motherfucker who behaved professionally because this was a job to him, and he knew, understood and for a while respected the rules. Then Connor made it personal and these are the consequences.
Just to be clear, this is not on Connor. Connor had every right to trash talk. I am just saying that although i predict this, i am not particularly surprised.

You can withhold his purse, ban him, never allow him back to the country.... dont think he geniunely regrets what he's done. He basically took a bunch of guys who claimed to be fearless and put the fear of god in them.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

It was a dumb thing to do, and I'm not condoning his actions at all, but you have to admit it's pretty funny that the whole narrative was how scared khabib was of Conor's team,

This, this, this.

He is a fighter, not a professional press conference taker. I for one, love that.
I

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

They are also the 2 biggest culprits..

I don't really agree with that, a professional should be able to contain himself. There is nothing wrong with McGregor's provocation, Khabib handled it perfectly until he won and then did what he wanted because he couldn't care less about the success of the UFC or future of Conor McGregor.

I would love to see a helicoter view of the canvas with theMcG down, his i

Two points: first, Khabib was angered, probably infuriated by Conor's comments, granted. It was clear in his body language. The thing is, getting in someone's head implies doing something that tampers with that person's ability, and i dont see that being the case. He was asked before the fight, point blank, if he was anxious about it and he said he was, no hesitation. He added thou, that he knows how to manage his emotions.
Some people choke under pressure, some people don't. Khabib, apparently, does not. Some people make mistakes when they are angry. Some people use anger as a motivation.

Let me rephrase, if you think Conor's trash talk laid the groundwork on how to destabilize Khabib, i think you are incredibly wrong. Quite the contrary. fact, i think people are gonna think three times what they say to Khabib.


I dont think he did. Not at all.
In fact, i'd go as far as saying that Khabib would love a rematch and Conor wouldn't. Khabib didn't get enough.

And think about it this way: what's Connor gonna say in the pre-fight press conference? "look, my whiskey's logo in the canvas, next to my face after Khabib rearranged it"...
This was a winner take all event and Khabib won, in spades.
There's not comeback, no witty lines, no comical retort.


This, in spades. This is a guy who doesn't care about suits, cars, whiskeys and who's been training since he's 3 and getting into street fights while going to and from the gym to his home in dirt roads in the middle of the mountains.
This is a nasty motherfucker who behaved professionally because this was a job to him, and he knew, understood and for a while respected the rules. Then Connor made it personal and these are the consequences.
Just to be clear, this is not on Connor. Connor had every right to trash talk. I am just saying that although i predict this, i am not particularly surprised.

You can withhold his purse, ban him, never allow him back to the country.... dont think he geniunely regrets what he's done. He basically took a bunch of guys who claimed to be fearless and put the fear of god in them.

Yeah, I don't think McGregor deserves a rematch until he goes and beats other fighters. He won his belts, never defended them and then lost his ***le challenge, hes done in this game unless and until he proves he deserves to fight for belts again. He hasn't won a fight in two years...


McGregor also proved how fake this infallible tough guy from the street act is when he brought Drake with him... Drake

 

[Chief Pete]

I don't really agree with that, a professional should be able to contain himself. There is nothing wrong with McGregor's provocation, Khabib handled it perfectly until he won and then did what he wanted because he couldn't care less about the success of the UFC or future of Conor McGregor.

How can you claim that a professional should be able to contain himself and then defend McGregor's antics/provocation? do you condone the bus attack? regarding the future of both the UFC and McGregor, why should Khabib care, Dana's got greedy and underestimated the situation and McGregor's shown him no respect whatsoever so why should he in return?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

How can you claim that a professional should be able to contain himself and then defend McGregor's antics/provocation? do you condone the bus attack? regarding the future of both the UFC and McGregor, why should Khabib care, Dana's got greedy and underestimated the situation and McGregor's shown him no respect whatsoever so why should he in return?

McGregor went to court over the bus incident, it was handled. Its not really defendable but neither is it relevant, using it as a defence for Khabib this morning doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all.

Words are words, he's in the fight game he's going to be on the end of it, no excuse to attack members of the audience.

Pinning blame on McGregor or the UFC for Khabib attacking someone is wrong regardless of how it is spun. I've seen people elsewhere defend it as cultural, that's what to expect of a man from Dagestan. That argument dies once you realise that they're in Las Vegas Dagestani culture means nothing there. I've seen the argument that he was provoked and it was allowed build by the UFC and McGregor, is it not enough for Khabib to beat the **** out of McGregor for four rounds to vent those building frustrations. He proved what he had to prove and rubbed it in McGregor's face and then he escalated it past the point it can be defended.

We're talking about a grown man here, grown men who get provoked by words and physically attack someone in response can't be defended regardless of what was said. What makes this somewhat unique is that there can be no punishment of substance for Khabib because he doesn't much care about material things.

This is all a perfect storm, the humble man with honest family values etc... Defeats the egomaniac who only cares about money and would want to be careful he doesn't rot away his septum. Because people have been told that being humble is better than boastful and glorify the type of discipline Khabib shows in his personal life coupled with the fact that people don't like how McGregor essentially does what he wants means they want to excuse Khabib in spite of what he has done. If McGregor was slightly less hateful it could easily be spun as a charismatic man who provides for his wife, child and family v a 30 year old who chooses to live with his parents. The point I'm trying to make here is the background and reason for doing something illegal is entirely irrelevant when we're discussing two millionaires, this wasn't a man stealing bread to feed the poor or protecting someone in danger, it's Khabib serving his own ego as much as McGregor ever has.

 

[munstermuffin]

Two points: first, Khabib was angered, probably infuriated by Conor's comments, granted. It was clear in his body language. The thing is, getting in someone's head implies doing something that tampers with that person's ability, and i dont see that being the case. He was asked before the fight, point blank, if he was anxious about it and he said he was, no hesitation. He added thou, that he knows how to manage his emotions.
Some people choke under pressure, some people don't. Khabib, apparently, does not. Some people make mistakes when they are angry. Some people use anger as a motivation.

Let me rephrase, if you think Conor's trash talk laid the groundwork on how to destabilize Khabib, i think you are incredibly wrong. Quite the contrary. fact, i think people are gonna think three times what they say to Khabib.


I dont think he did. Not at all.
In fact, i'd go as far as saying that Khabib would love a rematch and Conor wouldn't. Khabib didn't get enough.

And think about it this way: what's Connor gonna say in the pre-fight press conference? "look, my whiskey's logo in the canvas, next to my face after Khabib rearranged it"...
This was a winner take all event and Khabib won, in spades.
There's not comeback, no witty lines, no comical retort.


This, in spades. This is a guy who doesn't care about suits, cars, whiskeys and who's been training since he's 3 and getting into street fights while going to and from the gym to his home in dirt roads in the middle of the mountains.
This is a nasty motherfucker who behaved professionally because this was a job to him, and he knew, understood and for a while respected the rules. Then Connor made it personal and these are the consequences.
Just to be clear, this is not on Connor. Connor had every right to trash talk. I am just saying that although i predict this, i am not particularly surprised.

You can withhold his purse, ban him, never allow him back to the country.... dont think he geniunely regrets what he's done. He basically took a bunch of guys who claimed to be fearless and put the fear of god in them.

I'd disagree on top as look what it caused Khabib to do. Stoop down to being idiotic and scumbag. Just becayse Conor didn't win means very little. Conor was never a good wrestler so was always up agaunst it vefore you add in his 2 years out of the cage.

On rematch. Conor and Dana have already hinted at it and well what conor will say is irrelevant. He will get as much of his brands out there and generate as much cash and stoop low again. He's about making money.

You see Khabib just probably spent his 1st big payday with his idiotic and scumbag behaviour. And well may be banned too so the 2 year plan may be altered.

You look at it from an MMA point of view. And thats foolish as this will never be based on that but money. As I said Khabib is probably ****** he couldn't hurt Conor to point of a broken limb or bloody face. He won by being technically brilliant but he wanted more. And then ruined it all by after fight actions.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

McGregor went to court over the bus incident, it was handled. Its not really defendable but neither is it relevant, using it as a defence for Khabib this morning doesn't hold up to scrutiny at all.

Words are words, he's in the fight game he's going to be on the end of it, no excuse to attack members of the audience.

Pinning blame on McGregor or the UFC for Khabib attacking someone is wrong regardless of how it is spun. I've seen people elsewhere defend it as cultural, that's what to expect of a man from Dagestan. That argument dies once you realise that they're in Las Vegas Dagestani culture means nothing there. I've seen the argument that he was provoked and it was allowed build by the UFC and McGregor, is it not enough for Khabib to beat the **** out of McGregor for four rounds to vent those building frustrations. He proved what he had to prove and rubbed it in McGregor's face and then he escalated it past the point it can be defended.

We're talking about a grown man here, grown men who get provoked by words and physically attack someone in response can't be defended regardless of what was said. What makes this somewhat unique is that there can be no punishment of substance for Khabib because he doesn't much care about material things.

This is all a perfect storm, the humble man with honest family values etc... Defeats the egomaniac who only cares about money and would want to be careful he doesn't rot away his septum. Because people have been told that being humble is better than boastful and glorify the type of discipline Khabib shows in his personal life coupled with the fact that people don't like how McGregor essentially does what he wants means they want to excuse Khabib in spite of what he has done. If McGregor was slightly less hateful it could easily be spun as a charismatic man who provides for his wife, child and family v a 30 year old who chooses to live with his parents. The point I'm trying to make here is the background and reason for doing something illegal is entirely irrelevant when we're discussing two millionaires, this wasn't a man stealing bread to feed the poor or protecting someone in danger, it's Khabib serving his own ego as much as McGregor ever has.

True but the UFC made these actions acceptable by using that NY footage as promotion for the fight, as if it was some scripted moment from last weeks WWE or some ****. Dana had plenty of chances to calm things down, but no both him and McGregor turned it up to 11.

Whilst they can't be entirely to blame they knew what they where doing White and McGregor (Both for different reasons though) to a person who
1. Isn't used to that ****
2. Doesn't want to be in that ****.

Sure Khabib is feeding his ego at the end, but not nearly the same level as Conor.
McGregor forced this situation to happen along with his team by taking the trash talk to where he wanted it at and Dan sat there saying show me the money.

End of the day IF McGregor hadn't have done what he did in New York this wouldn't have happened and that only happened because Conor Ego couldn't take not being the centre of attention in a sport he had no longer become relevant in. Would Khabib have attacked Danis if not for the provocation for Danis? I agree with MM point that Khabib was ****** he didn't smash McGregor and that his pumped up testosterone fuelled ego needed to vent but Colin and his gang where the matadors who put the red flag up to the bull.