MMA/UFC thread

[Chief Pete]

Don't agree... certainly not in PG wrestling.

yeah forgot WWE's now PG era, shame ECW's no longer around, could he not be trusted to stick to the 'script'?

 

[ratsapprentice]

The script would have to be PG... how would that work?

 

[Chief Pete]

The script would have to be PG... how would that work?

Done a quick search and apparently he has spoken to them, I don't know how they'd use him but personally I'd do something that the UFC could never do, I'd book him in a programme/storyline with Brock and I'd have Paul Heyman write the thing, Brock's got over in the PG era so I'm sure they'd get McGregor over too and if they have spoken to him then they are prepared to take that risk, the financial return would be massive, even on a part time basis like Brock everyone's a winner.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Brock genuinely hates McGregor, I don't think he'd work with him, and if he did he might accidentally smash his head in like he did with some guy a year or two ago when he lost it and started landing elbows on him

 

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[Chief Pete]

Brock genuinely hates McGregor, I don't think he'd work with him, and if he did he might accidentally smash his head in like he did with some guy a year or two ago when he lost it and started landing elbows on him

I didn't know Brock hated McGregor, fair enough...

One possible scenario, If Diaz beats Poirier sets up a final fight with McGregor, I think this fight would have more gravitas if Diaz was coming off the back of a big win and the UFC could promote it as a sort of redemption deal for McGregor and if Diaz was to win that as well then you have a genuine contender for the belt in Nate coming off the back of two massive wins, both scenarios the UFC win, McGregor redeems himself or Diaz becomes a major player in the division again....

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Agreed, the Diaz fight is the only I see McGregor taking, other than a ***le shot. No one else does PPVs big enough, it's also a very winnable fight.

Also also it help unclog the LW division - Ferg gets next ***le shot, Poirier after that (presuming he beats Diaz). And then at that point maybe Lee has another couple of wins under his belt and is in contention.

Remove the (marketable) divas that are McGregor and Diaz and we get back to semblance of normality.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

The more Khabib talks the more i like him. He sent this on his page addressed to the UFC

"And one more thing, you can keep my money that you are withholding. You are pretty busy with that, I hope it won't get stuck in your throat. We have defended our honor and this is the most important thing. We intend to go to the end."

I know what he did was not right, but it is so ******* refreshing to see how he single handedly derailed the money-&-ppv-talk-suit wearing bandwagon. He knows what he wants, he is willing to suffer consequences to achieve it, stick by his team and he doesn't give a **** about the money.

He's been more of a gangster in the last week than mcg and his entire camp have been during their entire lives.

 

[munstermuffin]

The more Khabib talks the more i like him. He sent this on his page addressed to the UFC

"And one more thing, you can keep my money that you are withholding. You are pretty busy with that, I hope it won't get stuck in your throat. We have defended our honor and this is the most important thing. We intend to go to the end."

I know what he did was not right, but it is so ******* refreshing to see how he single handedly derailed the money-&-ppv-talk-suit wearing bandwagon. He knows what he wants, he is willing to suffer consequences to achieve it, stick by his team and he doesn't give a **** about the money.

He's been more of a gangster in the last week than mcg and his entire camp have been during their entire lives.

More shows they are scum like McGregor camp. McGregor clained he won the war but lost fight. Not sure what he meant but more me it's because he dragged Khabib down to hos level and made hime be scum like Conor.
UFC could benefit hugely if Khabib walks. He is under contract so will be tied while with him gone they can get Conor back near top ASAP and money train continues. Remember Khabib is not a PPV draw.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Anything over 300k is a PPV draw in this day and age, and Khabib is easily in that (223 did 350k even with all the changes and drastically weakened card - add in his increased fame now and he easily does 500k+. It's not McGregor numbers nut no one does McGregor numbers, not even Rousey/Brock. Where Khabib is important is selling to UFC to TV channels in the eastern bloc. Khabib vs Conor did better numbers, on Russian t.v., than the world cup final did).

Also lol @ thinking Khabib is locked to the UFC. All it would mean is he can't fight in the America - just go fight for Rizin or FNG/ACB
Hell even Bellator is slowly moving away from the American audience and concentrating on Europe

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

More shows they are scum like McGregor camp.

I see them as completely different. Khabib and his people dont go out trash talking and picking fights. They just do not shy away from them. The difference ain't subtle.

UFC could benefit hugely if Khabib walks. He is under contract so will be tied while with him gone they can get Conor back near top ASAP and money train continues. Remember Khabib is not a PPV draw.

Is it? Still? I'm not that sure anymore. What sold was Conor's persona and his credibility is well, non existent right now. Half his witty comments and trash talk would sound comical coming from him after what happened. How is he supposed to promote his fight now?

Khabib didn't just beat him inside the octagon. Khabib basically showed him, while everyone watched, the difference between a wannabe gangster and someone who will ***** you up if you cross certain lines. He showed the difference between someone who's #1 priority is money and someone who, after his first really big fight says, and i quote "you can keep my money".
He showed him the difference between a trash talker and someone who will **** you up if you trash talk his family, his nation, his religion and his values.

There's no comeback from this. McG's train is based entirely on momentum, and Khabib took that away from him, in spectacular fashion. He's done.

He might have a few fights here and there, but that's it. It was a nice run while it lasted, with skill and a bit of luck here and there, but; it's over.
He's got virtually no shot against Khabib so 155 is out. I dont see him going back to 145. Too much work and it'd be admiting he couldnt make it in 155. And going up to 170 would end up in tears.
If you stretch it and say 165 will be a new category, well, i'm guessing Khabib will chase him there and destroy him in 2 categories.

He's done. Khabib, worst case scenario, will retire and open a gym in Dagestan. He'll have his reputation intact and be considered a legend. He wouldn't change that.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Khabib already has two gyms in Russia (one in Moscow, one in Dagestan).
He said after the MJ fight that he had enough money that he could retire and never fight again if he wanted, since then he's had three fights, 2 PPV headliners, one of which got PPV points from the biggest card in MMA history.

Khabib doesn't need the UFC, and that's what makes his statement so interesting: Dana can't threaten him like he can every other fight in the UFC not called McGregor

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I know about the gym, i was being sarcastic or failing at it to be precise.

Not sure i agree with what you said about the threat, or maybe it's the way you phrased it. He can threaten him, but only with money and indeed Khabib has a lot to lose money wise. He just cares more about other things, which in that context is an incredibly rare thing.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Not sure i agree with what you said about the threat, or maybe it's the way you phrased it. He can threaten him, but only with money and indeed Khabib has a lot to lose money wise. He just cares more about other things, which in that context is an incredibly rare thing.

I think we're agreeing, but misreading messages haha.

Dana can threaten Khabib, but nothing he can threaten him will matter. Gonna cut him? Khabib already said he'll walk.
Withhold his money? Legally he can't, his purse is under the control of the commission and his PPV cash is contractually his, good look with the court case if you withhold that.
And at the end of the day he doesn't need the cash, he lives an incredibly frugal life back in Dagestan, where the average wage is under $500 a month. He doesn't need it, as much as it would be nice to have.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

You know what i liked the most of all? His comment about his dad at the end of the conference.

This is a guy who just beat the crap out of the "double ***le holder", then jumped out of the cage and went for the rest, is going to have problems with his purse, his friends will probably wont fight in the ufc ever again, and he and his friends might have trouble entering the US ever again.... and after all that, his number one concern is what his father is gonna tell him, and he admits it in the most sincere broken english, in front of one of the largest sport audiences in mma history.

If you dont love the guy you need to go to the hospital. You might have water in your veins.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

There's no comeback from this. McG's train is based entirely on momentum, and Khabib took that away from him, in spectacular fashion. He's done.

I disagree. McGregor may not reclaim the lightweight ***le but he's not done, especially as a PPV draw. He became the first two division champion in UFC history so perhaps chasing ***les isn't his objective any more, chasing superfights is. McGregor-Diaz III will do huge PPV numbers. McGregor-GSP at a catchweight too. There's a possible fight in front of 80,000 in Dublin for him. Is he championship material? Possibly not but he'll still earn a hell of a lot of money for both himself and the UFC.

 

[munstermuffin]

I disagree. McGregor may not reclaim the lightweight ***le but he's not done, especially as a PPV draw. He became the first two division champion in UFC history so perhaps chasing ***les isn't his objective any more, chasing superfights is. McGregor-Diaz III will do huge PPV numbers. McGregor-GSP at a catchweight too. There's a possible fight in front of 80,000 in Dublin for him. Is he championship material? Possibly not but he'll still earn a hell of a lot of money for both himself and the UFC.

To add to this Snoop. You are correct. The ***le isnt as valuable now as before at any weight. Itbis all about money making. How can Lesnar, without a win in 8 years or so be up for ***le shot, how can McGregor go so long without fight and then waltz back to top table? Because it is all about money.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Because McGregor ruined the sport of MMA, that's why.
That's why there's been an exodus to Bellator and Rizin.
Even ACB has been picking up some good signings.

The sooner he is out of the sport the better imo.
All he's good for is lining millionaires pockets.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

@snoopy snoopy dog dog
Fair enough, i might have exaggerated a bit. He probably still has enough gas in the tank for a fight or two against the likes of Diego Sanchez. I mean, Al Iaquinta gave Khabib a better run for his money than Connor.

 

[bushytop]

So haven't had time to comment on last wknds UFC 229... enjoyed pretty much every fight to be fair and considering that before the event that I didn't think it was the greatest of cards, that was a result.

Khabib vs McG went pretty much the way most people saw it before the bout and to be fair, Khabib handled the whole 'mental' warfare perfectly. As much as Connor has been 'jumping the shark' during his last couple of outings (Mayweather and this one) he will still get the trilogy with Nate at least.

As far as Khabib goes, he looked phenomenal and if it were not for the unreal performance of Tony Ferguson in the co-main, I would say virtually unbeatable but that really would be some fight (let's hope that Dana can actually get the pair of them in the octagon when they make the bout this time).