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Italy vs Ireland - 16/03/2013

Some watery substance was just in my eyes as Andrea left the field.....

....that's fkn weird !! ;)



OK. Had to happen, probably should have happened a lot sooner but Italy finally beats, within the confines of the 6N, Ireland. Next year, Ireland is likely putting 30+ on them in Aviva, but let them savor this. They'll have finished the tournament ahead of France, congrats, our little brothers :D

Oh !! Almost forgot...
Thx for beating them by 7...now we need to win by 17 to be one point ahead of Oirlend in the G-Avg....
 
well done Italy 2 wins is great for Italian rugby and shows they are a good team who righty ran England close last week.
 
They really aren't that impressive. It's a massively under-strength Irish team, with people playing out of position and Kidney playing injured and tired players from previous games.
But I'm talking about Italy, not Ireland...
 
This is the worst Irish 6nations I can remember its just such a let down the promises shown on day 1. I think its going to take the team some time to revory form the damage Kidneys done, mentally there needs to be change. We really need to just full on hit the reset button.
 
Good game by Italy, very happy with the win over Ireland especially with Lo Cicero retiring. And Italy nor Scotland has got the Wooden spoon this ear. Proves the haters wrong.
 
But I'm talking about Italy, not Ireland...

exactly
is like the scotland italy game
or even the first half of the ireland wales game

its easier to look impressive if the opposition are poor
 
The most incredible thing about this result is that it was, to some extent, expected.
 
This reminds me, we have a transfers thread I think we need a retirement thread, a big name like Lo Cicero we know about but some times under the radar guys retire and I have no idea about it, would be nice to have a thread that mentions and honours those that depart the sport.
 
A different ref against England, Parisse+Castro v Wales, and some brains v Scotland and Italy would be in different shape.
Solid improvements by Brunel.
Zanni is immense.

LG, I like that idea. I'd have it in general rugby, any suggestions?
 
Did anyone say he shouldn't have?
The loss of rucking has made this a much softer sport
 
A different ref against England, Parisse+Castro v Wales, and some brains v Scotland and Italy would be in different shape.
Solid improvements by Brunel.
Zanni is immense.

LG, I like that idea. I'd have it in general rugby, any suggestions?

I think that would be the best section as well Draggs...
 
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Jacques Brunel has taken Italy so much further than the overrated Nick Mallett ever did. Great result for the hosts and the tournament. No need to talk down Italy's achievement by criticizing Ireland.

One positive for Ireland was Ian Madigan. Paddy Jackson is a passenger at 10 who cedes responsibility to others- Conor Murray is playing both the scrum half and outhalf roles at present. Madigan by contrast wants the ball in his hands at every opportunity.

Bye bye Declan Kidney. Take Les Kiss (good defence coach but out of his depth on attack), Mark Tainton and Gert Smal with you. Anthony Foley is the only member of the coaching staff who did a good job in this tournament which is hard for me to say because I really don't want to like him!

Mike Ruddock and Anthony Foley will take Ireland to North America in the summer in my opinion.
 
Jacques Brunel has taken Italy so much further than the overrated Nick Mallett ever did. Great result for the hosts and the tournament. No need to talk down Italy's achievement by criticizing Ireland.

One positive for Ireland was Ian Madigan. Paddy Jackson is a passenger at 10 who cedes responsibility to others- Conor Murray is playing both the scrum half and outhalf roles at present. Madigan by contrast wants the ball in his hands at every opportunity.

Bye bye Declan Kidney. Take Les Kiss (good defence coach but out of his depth on attack), Mark Tainton and Gert Smal with you. Anthony Foley is the only member of the coaching staff who did a good job in this tournament which is hard for me to say because I really don't want to like him!

Mike Ruddock and Anthony Foley will take Ireland to North America in the summer in my opinion.
Might have a bigger job closer to home ;)

But agree with regards Madigan he looked hungry and was always looking for work. Jackson's problem is he didn't use head in terms of he tried to use backs outside when he had a mickey mouse centre partnership and POM on wing. None of them knew roles and well I'd also love to know how Marshall was cleared. He was poor from start but that was simply because it was clear he didn't seem 100% well barely 50% even.

Few points I'd say:
- At least we got young guys in and future isn't bleak ie. Henderson, Kilcoyne, O'Mahony, Gilroy, Madigan, Jackson, Zebo, Marshall x2 and Archer got time add in Murray, Earls, Healy, O'Brien are all young enough so there is a very strong spine of players good enough and young enough there to really keep us challenging.

- Injuries did hinder our tournament in a big way

- Mike Sherry has been a top player this season and by far the best darts in Ireland. Today Best had poor day and Cronin is terrible at darts so would it not make more sense to have Sherry on bench as I think his form warranted it too. I know Strauss would've been there if all fit.

- Still worries me about our back play as we do seem clueless and I think we need to get a world class operator (ie Schmidt) on the coaching ticket as we just seem to be awful with attacking patterns

Can I finally say too Italy were a delight this tournament.
They beat France and Ireland, Rattled Wales and Enngland and were poor to Scotland but gone are the days of them being a team that play well for 55mins and fall away. They were the most attacking team of the tournament and well even like today it wasn't a "flukey" win as they were the better team for 70-75 mins.
 
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Jacques Brunel has taken Italy so much further than the overrated Nick Mallett ever did. Great result for the hosts and the tournament. No need to talk down Italy's achievement by criticizing Ireland.

One positive for Ireland was Ian Madigan. Paddy Jackson is a passenger at 10 who cedes responsibility to others- Conor Murray is playing both the scrum half and outhalf roles at present. Madigan by contrast wants the ball in his hands at every opportunity.

Bye bye Declan Kidney. Take Les Kiss (good defence coach but out of his depth on attack), Mark Tainton and Gert Smal with you. Anthony Foley is the only member of the coaching staff who did a good job in this tournament which is hard for me to say because I really don't want to like him!

Mike Ruddock and Anthony Foley will take Ireland to North America in the summer in my opinion.


If it hadn't been for the France game in his final year Mallett's stint with Italy would have been regarded as a complete failure, and rightly so. They stalled, and quite possibly regressed under him, yet no one seemed to care much as they were expected to be the poorest team. Now they're back heading in the right direction. Okay, they may have a few lean years when this crop of players hang up their boots, but they at least seem to have shaken off the mentality that they're going into a game having already lost it.

As for Ireland, well the only way to go from here is up really. There are some good positives to take out of the tournament though. Luke Marshall looks comfortable at this level, Conor Murray's game seems to be improving, Simon Zebo and Craig Gilroy have given us a lot more options in the back three and we've given a bit of time to some younger 10's (although Mads should have clearly been ahead of PJ.)

Looking ahead to the summer I think it's probably safe to say we wont have too large a Lions representation. 8 would be the highest we could possibly lose imo. There's a lot to be said for that however. Firstly, it's a good time for some guys like Marshall and Henderson to get game time under their belt. These are the kind of guys who are going to be the bedrock of the panel for the next few years, so we'd want to get them established in the squad asap. We need to find a new 13 too, so Darren Cave and Eoin Griffin should both probably tour. I wouldn't mind having a look at Luke Fitz there either.



How did Archer go actually?
 
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