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I agree that currently he should be dropped and I also think he should have retired at the end of last year but some people have chosen to forget his previous performances because he's playing bad now and is a bit of a gobshite and also I get the feeling that people want to see him fail and play poorly on Sunday to throw out insults towards him and I think it's ridiculous. I'd argue that he was a class player up until '10-'11 he just had an unbelievable run of form between '04 and '08 and before that he could also be great but lacked a bit of nerve at times.
I don't think there's any point arguing this with you, you don't like him never had and aren't giving him anywhere near the credit he deserves. And had there not been a grand slam in '09 and there would not have been with Paddy Wallace at 10 Triple crowns would be a lot more important.
I agree with everything you're saying but people on this forum, Leinster fans especially, seem to have him on their list of mortal enemies and are completely disregarding his career.
Right, this is the last time I'm dealing with this argument I'm not saying that we would have won the Grand Slam without him. I'm not saying he wasn't a hugely important player in that period. What I am saying is that this was as much due to a lack of options as anything else. Your argument is running along the lines of "he's one of our greatest ever 10's because he played in a period when we didn't have any other decent 10's." I'm not debating his importance, I'm debating his talent when compared to his peers. Was he better than Stephen Jones? No. Johnny Wilkinson? No. Dan Carter, Stephen Larkham, Nick Evans? No. Contepomi and Hernandez went through periods where they were better, while Morne Steyn was just as effective at what he did, as well as being a good defender.