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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Nov 16 2009, 12:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Lads sick of this crap about ROG!!! After a bad start to season he really had good game today.[/b]
No, both himself and O'Leary were pretty poor if you ask me. Yes he kicked reasonably well (though O'Leary was dreadful), but his distribution was average (Wallace and O'Leary did a lot of it for him) he refused to tackle, and the Aussies just walked right past himself and his tackle partner O'Callaghan more than once. He does not tackle and this costs the team points.

In his favour at least he tried a few different things that werent far from coming off, but I didnt think he should have finished the game really. He cretainly didnt have a good game. Better than shite is not good enough.

As for the crowd. A game of aimless kicking, poor chasing, little competition at the breakdown, and a referee who seemed to enjoy coming up with his own interpretation of how the games rules should be, did not make for a great atmosphere. It wasnt as bad as Nugent was saying in commentary (I was there), but there was nothing to shout about. In the first 5 mins we had conceeded a try and f***ed up two basic kicks. What would you expect.
 
The boys started out pretty poorly. Our lineout was rubbish in the first half, we consistently turned over our own ball and never threatened on Irelands throw. It did improve in the second half though and we even managed to turn over one of Irelands throws.
I think the main difference was the amount of jumping that Elsom and Palu did in the second half. For me that puts serious question marks over the inclusion of Chisholm and Horwill in the side. If the back rowers are out jumping the locks something has to change quickly.
Despite our improvement, it was a lineout turn over that gave Ireland the territory that they eventually converted into points to force the draw.
Granted that Ireland have one of the better lineouts in the world (easily the best in the north) but remember that they haven’t played together for 6 months so we definitely should have been more competitive.
The other big f*** up was our kicking game. Every single one of Quade Coopers kicks in the first half were caught on the full. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I have absolutely no idea why he was used as our first kicking option. Giteau is a much better kicker of the ball. He can kick it further, more accurately and his kicks have a lower trajectory allowing less time for the opposition to get under the ball before it bounces. I was never quite sure when Cooper was kicking it weather it was a bomb of a kick for territory such was the height he put on them.
His defence also probably cost us the game. It was his half tackles that allowed Tommy Bowe to cross the line twice in the second half (albeit only once for a try) and the hole that Brian O’Driscoll ran through to steal the win was between him and Ioane. Granted his kicking did improve slightly in the second half and his elusiveness and ball playing skills are first rate. But why not let him do the playmaking and Giteau do the kicking. If they want to take the pressure of Giteau then let Genia do it. He is a very good kicker from the ruck base. I think having Mortlock beside Coopper might also help his defensive game, that is provided he gets beck into the team….
Also I noticed the Wallabies were playing very flat in attack. I remember New Zealand trying this tactic when John Mitchell was coach (remember who John Mitchell’s assistant was anybody….that right Robbie Deans) it didn’t seem to work for them and ironically I think it was a thrashing from Australia that made them scrap the tactic. I didn’t seem to go to badly for us last night though. We made a lot of meters off quick phases using our big forwards and dominating the Irish at ruck. It will be interesting to see how Robbie and the boys continue to develop it.
However the ruck was the only area we dominated in this test. Ireland cut us to pieces out wide and if it wasn’t for David Pocock’s cover defence out wide we might have lost by 20 points. The pace of the Irish outside backs was very impressive as was their running lines. Having Paddy Wallace in the side helped them to take advantage of this.
Apart from Wallace debutant prop Cian Healy was very handy in the loose, breaking about 15 tackles every time he touched the ball. Now all he has to do is learn how to scrum and he will be a real asset to the Irish side. On the Wallabies side the hero was undoubtedly David Pocock. As I mentioned before he made countless try saving tackles out wide when the backs we’re torn apart. As is becoming customary for him he also won numerous turnover and put some big hits, including picking up big man Paul O’Connell and dropping him on his head. His back row partners also had good games with Rocky Elsom making good metres on the fringes and bagging a try out wide. Palu was also solid around the ground and in the lineouts. He was also very unlucky to get sent off for his hit on Kearney. He obviously was trying to get his arms around the fullback. Its not his fault is he bounced off his shoulder so quickly he couldn’t get there on time.
Even taking all that into account I’m still not sure how, in gods name, they managed to not win this game. We had most of the possession and, despite our shite kicking, the territory.
Looking forward to seeing an improvement in the lineout, kicking and general attacking by the backs against the Scots.
 
That last try seemed scripted. It just seemed sooo perfect that O'Driscoll should, on his 100th Cap, go through a massive gap in the defense.

I spent the match screaming for Tommy Bowe to score, which he did in the end. Good old Tommy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Nov 16 2009, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And thought Earls played well when coming on if Luke is fit hope he goes to 12 and Earls to 11.[/b]
I definitely want to see Paddy Wallace out of there. And Bowe coming in to centre, because his distribution is beaut but he's not fast enough for the wing. Bit of a conundrum, because I'd like to see Darse back in for his defence, and Horgan out wide for the cross kicks.

Too. Much. Choice.

But Wallace out for sure.
 
Wallace has his best game for Ireland since the Australia game in Melbourne in 2008 and you want him out for an out of form D'Arcy or Fitzgerald whose handling isn't yet up to being a centre
 
You can't drop Paddy Wallace, he was selected on form and backed up the selection with an excellent performance. With BOD and Bowe in the centre and Kearney at Fullback we would have no proper distributer to get our wingers motoring. Wallace will be wearing 12 for a while I'd imagine.
 
Sexton is a pretty handy distributor.

Either way its facinating to see the reaction to the game. No one seem to agree on pretty much anything.

I thought Wallace did okay, no better, no worse. Wouldnt drop him, but would hope for more against the Boks.
 
Won't argue with Wallace at 12 just think Earls should be in somewhere but well now he'll get chance with Luke out for 6Nations.

But it great that for 1st time ever i'd say Ireland is really developing plenty of competition.
 
Wallace and D'arcy are both over 30 with no young recognised 12 in either the Senior or 'A' squads We have nothing at tight head and if our great white hope at #10 doesn't turn out to be world class we are fupped. Don't get carried away.

I don't think i have ever seen so many interpretations of 80 minutes of rugby!
 
Darse is younger than BOD, in't he? Anyway, centre should be at his peak at about 30 for combination of speed, strength, stamina and know how.

If we don't cut SA open in the centre then we're flurped. It's our only edge. Wallace can't do it and is too weak in defence beside ROG - just invites their backrow. Don't want another "getting there" match with BOD popping up at the end to show how it's done.

ROG is the only OH who can cross kick. In the world. Ever watch Carter or Giteau trying it? LOL! Combine that with a winger who can catch, and it's a guaranteed try every second match. Big debate about ROG, but that can't be ignored.
 
I know he's injured at moment but Fitzgearld should be played at 12 and Downey from Saints is he not worth a look as he young and developing
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Nov 16 2009, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Juan has a theory as to why Kaplan sucks so much. Apparently Kaplan was born in Durban which makes him a Sharks fan and thus a biased asshole.[/b]
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Nov 17 2009, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I know he's injured at moment but Fitzgearld should be played at 12 and Downey from Saints is he not worth a look as he young and developing[/b]


Downey from Saints is not particularly young. He'll be 29 by the end of the Six Nations.
 
Haha true.

Ian Whitten is our only young 12 by the looks of it, and is no where to be seen. Can McFadden be an international quality twelve?
 
Jeez thought Downey was younger but would like idea of McFadden been tested but still think Luke Fitzgearld (when fit) is destined for 12.

I'd worry about our front-row as apart from Cian Healy we have nothing in pipeline
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Nov 17 2009, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'd worry about our front-row as apart from Cian Healy we have nothing in pipeline[/b]
No tightheads certainly but there are some hookers and looseheads.

Looking at hookers, Rory Best is only 26 or 27 (he looks about 40 though) while Sean Cronin has another decade of rugby ahead of him. Damien Varley and Dennis Fogarty at Munster could progress to being decent players (good for about 10 caps each) as could Ulster's Andy Kyriacou. Further down the line there's Niall Annett of Ulster who's only 19 and Leinster's Jason Harris Wright who has been upgraded to the full squad.

At loosehead, Tom Court has relatively little rugby behind him at 29 and could go on for another 5 years. He's still improving. Brett Wilkinson at Connacht is in his mid 20s and could benefit from a move to a bigger team. Darragh Hurley is an excellent prospect at Munster if he ever stays fit and Leinster have a promising kid on their books by the name of Jack McGrath.

At tighthead we're hoping rather than expecting players to come through.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Nov 17 2009, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Nov 17 2009, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd worry about our front-row as apart from Cian Healy we have nothing in pipeline[/b]
No tightheads certainly but there are some hookers and looseheads.

Looking at hookers, Rory Best is only 26 or 27 (he looks about 40 though) while Sean Cronin has another decade of rugby ahead of him. Damien Varley and Dennis Fogarty at Munster could progress to being decent players (good for about 10 caps each) as could Ulster's Andy Kyriacou. Further down the line there's Niall Annett of Ulster who's only 19 and Leinster's Jason Harris Wright who has been upgraded to the full squad.

At loosehead, Tom Court has relatively little rugby behind him at 29 and could go on for another 5 years. He's still improving. Brett Wilkinson at Connacht is in his mid 20s and could benefit from a move to a bigger team. Darragh Hurley is an excellent prospect at Munster if he ever stays fit and Leinster have a promising kid on their books by the name of Jack McGrath.

At tighthead we're hoping rather than expecting players to come through.
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Lads what about young Ryan who moved to Toulon from Munster although he not getting games he must benefit from the experience
 
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