Ireland v Australia - 30 November 2024

[General Melchett]

I guess that proves that South Africa and Argentina are the most extreme far right nationalist rugby nations that don't welcome visitors from other countries who are merely seeking a better life for themselves and their families.

 

[BMatt]

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Hate these poachers too brother!

"Foreign born" matters about as much as the percentage of players who like marmite or are left handed.

Some of my examples are a bit dated but Sam Underhill, Ronan O'Gara (United States), George North (England) and Stephen Moore (Saudi Arabia) would all be included above.

Foreign developed is much more relevant, though more difficult to classify and there will always be adge cases.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

"Foreign born" matters about as much as the percentage of players who like marmite or are left handed.

Some of my examples are a bit dated but Sam Underhill, Ronan O'Gara (United States), George North (England) and Stephen Moore (Saudi Arabia) would all be included above.

Foreign developed is much more relevant, though more difficult to classify and there will always be adge cases.

I was being entirely sarcastic. Everyone who currently plays for us is either a citizen or entitled to citizenship of Ireland so I'm not fussed at all.

The three year rule to switch nations is currently the only thing I'm against in eligibility laws.

 

[General Melchett]

I was being entirely sarcastic. Everyone who currently plays for us is either a citizen or entitled to citizenship of Ireland so I'm not fussed at all.

The three year rule to switch nations is currently the only thing I'm against in eligibility laws.

Not fussed at all either and agree on the 3 year switch rule. Interestingly people from the nations who are winning RWCs and 6N championships don't seem too bothered either.

Tbh, if people are that upset about the rules they should be lobbying their home rugby union because it was they who signed up to the rules.

 

[Derpus]

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Hate these poachers too brother!

Foreign born aint the issue its the resources spent on developing players that bothers me. I don't care if Japan use a bunch of white dudes as locks if they came through their systems. Plus if you rule out foreign born then half of Australia's citizens would be ineligible.

I think you'll find plenty of Saffas and Kiwis who think current eligibility laws are complete joke.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Foreign born aint the issue its the resources spent on developing players that bothers me. I don't care if Japan use a bunch of white dudes as locks if they came through their systems. Plus if you rule out foreign born then half of Australia's citizens would be ineligible.

I think you'll find plenty of Saffas and Kiwis who think current eligibility laws are complete joke.

It was totally sarcastic.

I think the current rules are fair. Never had an issue with the grandparent rule in any sport. If you look at top sides who have guys that didn't come through early systems they've all developed players in their early 20s anyway.

Aki, Lowe, JGP*, Hansen and Herring were all journeymen and/or fighting just to keep a pro contract before coming here for example. France have their own too, Antonio comes to mind.

*These three qualified under the old three year rule that won't and shouldn't happen again also.

 

[Derpus]

It was totally sarcastic.

I think the current rules are fair. Never had an issue with the grandparent rule in any sport. If you look at top sides who have guys that didn't come through early systems they've all developed players in their early 20s anyway.

Aki, Lowe, JGP*, Hansen and Herring were all journeymen and/or fighting just to keep a pro contract before coming here for example. France have their own too, Antonio comes to mind.

*These three qualified under the old three year rule that won't and shouldn't happen again also.

Hansen was clearly not a journeyman. He was around 20 with 20+ Super Rugby caps, was a junior Wallaby (5 caps) and had just come off a very strong season for the Brumbies. He was stuck behind a couple of Wallabies (who ironically moved on basically as soon as he did) and clearly would have gone on to have a great career in Australia and probably for Australia.

Can't really talk to the rest but on Hansen, at least, you are wrong.

I don't really see why you need the copium either. You got your man and have a great team.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Hansen was clearly not a journeyman. He was around 20 with 20+ Super Rugby caps, was a junior Wallaby (5 caps) and had just come off a very strong season for the Brumbies. He was stuck behind a couple of Wallabies (who ironically moved on basically as soon as he did) and clearly would have gone on to have a great career in Australia and probably for Australia.

Can't really talk to the rest but on Hansen, at least, you are wrong.

I don't really see why you need the copium either. You got your man and have a great team.

It's not copium, I really don't care about these rules as they are. Just what it was sold as here, he was looking for a contract and drank in a pub that Andy Friend's (Connacht coach at the time) son was working at in Canberra. That led to a meeting and they beat a premiership team to him.

Could be inaccurate / purposeful deception but it's all I've read on the matter and from the horse's mouth.

 

[Derpus]

Or Dempsey the bloke who got MotM in a Bledisloe win lol. Anyways whatevs mate best of luck in the match.