Ireland v Argentina

[lynam1104]

Kidney has really gone downhill fro where he was last year.

 

[munstermuffin]

Tom Court must feel hard done by too seen as he's been by far our best prop in AIs so far

 

[monkeypigeon]

Daniele Bonera is becoming disillusioned with life at the Stadio Via Del Mare...

Sorry, been playing Football Manager too much recently. What I meant to say is that people are starting to get fed up with Kidney...He's got the Eddie attitude to his teams. For all his talk about building a squad, I can't remember the last time he let someone besides Bod play at 13. Despite the fact that Earls or Bowe need to be given a runout there for fear that Drico does get injured.

Earls must be getting Royaly ****** off. Ian McGeechan thinks Earls is the greatest thing since sliced bread (as he pretty much said in the 6-nations supliment thing in the [Irish] Sunday Times last year), yet he sits on the bench the whole time. Fair enough...but then two first team players get injured, so he calls up two players who haven't been in the matchday 22 all along and starts them instead. If that's the case come lunchtime, I shall be officially cross .

Wish we'd got Jake White when Eddie left. Talented players would play (Earls, Ross). Players who've had their chance and been poor (Trimble, Buckley - sorta) would be on the bench, if they were lucky.

Hope the big Thornley was wrong about this one.




Edit: And on the Trimble/Earls (not)dilemma.

Earls: 12 (7 start/5 sub) Caps, 6 Tries.
Trimble: 30 (23/7) Caps, 8 Tries.

Nearly a try per start versus slightly more that one try for every 3 starts....tricky, tricky, tricky....

 

[munstermuffin]

In fairness Thornley not only 1 who has said that team and it has been obvious for a while. Even on Wednesday I said Buckley was starting and I think we are back to been hypocrites because we were calling for Eddies head because of these exact reasons.
I wonder is all ok in the camp.

Earls is billed as 1 of the stars of future in World Rugby and was superb against Austrailia yet Ireland are producing crap after crap. I worry about 6Nations too because Scotland and Wales will expect to beat us away. No doubt Italy will have a serious cut off us and well England are driving forward fast and can beat us in Dublin and well France are France.

 

[monkeypigeon]

In fairness Thornley not only 1 who has said that team and it has been obvious for a while. Even on Wednesday I said Buckley was starting and I think we are back to been hypocrites because we were calling for Eddies head because of these exact reasons.
I wonder is all ok in the camp.

Earls is billed as 1 of the stars of future in World Rugby and was superb against Austrailia yet Ireland are producing crap after crap. I worry about 6Nations too because Scotland and Wales will expect to beat us away. No doubt Italy will have a serious cut off us and well England are driving forward fast and can beat us in Dublin and well France are France.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/21093.php

Team named as Thornley (and Munstermuffin) called it.

Ireland Team (to play Argentina, Guinness Series 2010, Aviva Stadium, November 28th, 14:30)
15 - Geordan Murphy (Leicester)
14 - Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
13 - Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) Captain
12 - Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St.Mary's College/Leinster)
9 - Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2 - Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)
3 - Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
5 - Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster)
6 - Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
7 - David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Replacements:
16 - Damien Varley (Garryowen/Munster)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
18 - Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
19 - Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)
20 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster
21 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
22 - Keith Earls (Thomond/Munster)

I did have a feeling that Trimble was gonna be starting ahead of Earlsie when I saw the amount of mediawork that Trimble was doing.

I don't think there's anything awry in the camp, I think it's just bad decision making.

Maybe Gaffney just doesn't like Munster boys?

And you're Mr Muffin, I think there is a bit of hostility towards Kidney for his Eddie like approach. For all his talk about building a squad, I can see a few positions where there's been no experimenting. Looks like we'll have another new coach post world-cup unless alot changes quickly.


Watch me eat my words on Sunday evening when Trimble scores a hattrick.

 

[lynam1104]

I feel this could go very wrong.

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

These November tests have represented a huge wasted opportunity. Ireland are no closer to finding a good tighthead since Jamie Hagan and Mike Ross particularly have been completely ignored. There's no alternative to Brian O'Driscoll since none of Keith Earls, Luke Fitzgerald or Tommy Bowe have been given a run at 13. Dismal performances haven't been punished eg Donncha O'Callaghan, Cian Healy, Rory Best, David Wallace and Rob Kearney (who I don't think has been as bad as some make out) seem to have a divine right to be in the team. Some badly needed grunt in the shape of Leo Cullen (seemingly he's not as good as Munster's top 4 second rows) and Sean O'Brien (Leinster's player of the season so far) hasn't been tested at all/enough.

 

[munstermuffin]

Just on questions about squad.
Who replaces BOD if injured etc.

Only thing I'd say is Best of Luck Damien Varley and hope you win your first cap it'll be well deserved

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Only thing I'd say is Best of Luck Damien Varley and hope you win your first cap it'll be well deserved

He was capped during the summer but the sentiment holds. I hope that he has a stormer if he comes on and puts it up to Jerry Flannery for province and country

 

[monkeypigeon]

My Rabble-rousing is going all wrong. Be angrier people!!!

The Murphy and Trimble que hopping is a joke!!! And poor baby O'Brien.

Ib think people are being harsh on DOC, he's never been a player for making runs and smashing people and that sort of thing. He never misses a tackle and does lots of grunt work.

 

[munstermuffin]

Sorry Snoop meant 1st home cap although it no difference.
Snoop on your issues about this series been wasted I agree and think instead of solving problems we are creating more.
Cullen is on par with DOC but ahead of rest.
On Varley, even when Fla returns Varley earned that starting shirt so let Fla work hard to win it back.
Absolutely sickened with Trimble selection and Dutchy gave a fine interview saying Earls should be selected at 13 wit BOD at 12 but I ask why are we afraid to experiment.
We are heading towards a poor 2011 and even if Trimble or any player for that matter gets 3 tries etc it will all be meaningless to me and just paper over cracks.
Tom Court has done the jersey proud and Munster fans even accept he deserved to be 3.
Wallace isn't on that poor form but is shattered and we have a list of players able to do job instead. Kidney seems to forget Heineken Cup is in 2 weeks and these lads are in the wrong side of 30 so why bother killing them. Heaslip is young and fit but did he really have to play all 4 tests for example. Should Leamy have been 8 vs Samoa and let's test players

 

[King_D'Arcy]

Keith Ealrs, Sean O'Brien, Mike Ross and Tom Court should all feel very very very very very hard done by.
I'm glad Stringer's starting cause it'll be good to see how him and Sexton link.
Why is Leo Cullen being left out?
Wallace needs to be dropped. He's so old!!

 

[Conal]

what the hell do earls and court need to do to get picked!!!!
espically earls!

 

[munstermuffin]

Conal Earls is just been frozen out completely. Court shows up other props in scrummaging so we get this bright idea of picking 2 poor scrumaggers against Argentina. It makes sense now.
Cullen might perform well as he is a good player too so let's leave him out. And Sean O Brien is left out because I don't know why.

What upsets me that we want to build squad yet only changes in 22 are down to injuries.

 

[coonor]

The way that Earls has been treated by the Irish management is quite frankly disgraceful. He is such a talented player and is a lion. surely when Ireland saw that Earls was a top class player they should have quickly blooded him into the Ireland first team but instead they decided they didn't need him and instead of giving him a greatly deserved opportunity the fought it was correct to pick an older player who has already been given many chance and not taken them. MADNESS. Wallace looked like he was going to collapse against New Zealand snd both Leamy and O'brien are playing much better than him. Court has been playing well and deserves to keep his shirt not just for his scrummaging but his rucking has been great. Ross has been ignored and Kidney doesn't realise how important the scrum really is. On a positive note its good to see Stringer and Sexton getting a chance to play with eachother and I'm glad Murphy has been picked.

 

[munstermuffin]

On a happier note - Paulie came through tonight ok, was very rusty and shyed away at time but that was to be expected.

 

[shtove]

http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/21093.php

Team named as Thornley (and Munstermuffin) called it.

Ireland Team (to play Argentina, Guinness Series 2010, Aviva Stadium, November 28th, 14:30)
15 - Geordan Murphy (Leicester)
14 - Tommy Bowe (Ospreys)
13 - Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) Captain
12 - Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11 - Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St.Mary's College/Leinster)
9 - Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster)
1 - Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2 - Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)
3 - Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)
4 - Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
5 - Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster)
6 - Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
7 - David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster)
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Replacements:
16 - Damien Varley (Garryowen/Munster)
17 - Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
18 - Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
19 - Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)
20 - Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster
21 - Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
22 - Keith Earls (Thomond/Munster)

I did have a feeling that Trimble was gonna be starting ahead of Earlsie when I saw the amount of mediawork that Trimble was doing.

I don't think there's anything awry in the camp, I think it's just bad decision making.

Maybe Gaffney just doesn't like Munster boys?

And you're Mr Muffin, I think there is a bit of hostility towards Kidney for his Eddie like approach. For all his talk about building a squad, I can see a few positions where there's been no experimenting. Looks like we'll have another new coach post world-cup unless alot changes quickly.


Watch me eat my words on Sunday evening when Trimble scores a hattrick.

That's a good team. Don't understand what people are complaining about, especially when they question the selection of the best player in the world.

Trimble is a solid winger - has to be better than Fitzgerald after his rotten defence against the ABs.

The only worry I have is Mick O'Driscoll - not an international player. But what option is there?

Wondering if Argentina have any new stars coming along.

 

[Feicarsinn]

You guys are so negative. Sure there are alot of calls that are a bit marginal, but I'd hardly be calling for Deccie's head after a few bad games in the AI's. Losing to SA and the All Blacks is hardly the end of the world. Earls is still coming back form injury, perhaps it ain't a great idea to rush him back immediately, much as Cullen has had time to come up to the pace of things. While Buckley hasn't show himself to be able to scrummage recently, I seem to remember a few members who were saying he should definitley be starting at the beginning of the season. Very fickle indeed.

More to be positive than negative about. Ireland by seven.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The only worry I have is Mick O'Driscoll - not an international player. But what option is there?

 

[Feicarsinn]

In fairness Thornley not only 1 who has said that team and it has been obvious for a while. Even on Wednesday I said Buckley was starting and I think we are back to been hypocrites because we were calling for Eddies head because of these exact reasons.
I wonder is all ok in the camp.

Earls is billed as 1 of the stars of future in World Rugby and was superb against Austrailia yet Ireland are producing crap after crap. I worry about 6Nations too because Scotland and Wales will expect to beat us away. No doubt Italy will have a serious cut off us and well England are driving forward fast and can beat us in Dublin and well France are France.

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Also Scotland and Wales are easily as bad as us. Quite possibly worse. Jasus, Munstermuffin Kidney makes a few calls you don't agree with and all of a sudden we're the worst team in the six nations.