Ireland stealing a Georgian prop

[big ginger 8]

He can play both sides. Last year he was a tighthead but this year Clongowes have picked him at loosehead. I'd be inclined to keep him at 1 since he's seemed to scrummage better there. It ws the same when he moved to 1 for the Ireland u18s against England last season. Both he and his brother should be called intp the Leinster academy immediately upon leaving school (along with St Michaels openside Dan Leavy). Long term, Leinster are extremely well set at prop with Healy, McGrath and Byrne at loosehead and Hagan, Moore and Furlong at tighthead. Byrne and Furlong may be the best of the lot.

He's played tighthead for the whole senior cup was playing there in the final. I also have a feeling Leavy will end up at 6 I think he's to tall and Michaels don't really use him as a proper 7.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I can't begin to work out who you're talking about; the closest sounds like Stewart Maguire, who qualifies for all three, is massive and had lots of potential, defected from Wales to Ireland, but got found out and ended up at Connacht where he's been crap. Only Irish player I can think of going to Newport is Jamie Smith, who's the world's tiniest full-back and has been almost constantly injured there.

Maybe I'm thinking of Maguire then and got Newport and Connacht mixed up. Could've sworn they were at Dragons though :huh:

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

He's played tighthead for the whole senior cup was playing there in the final.

Except he didn't. Daniel O'Byrne played 3.

Stewart Maguire joinded the Leinster academy from Newport Gwent Dragons. He's a big lump who destroyed scrums at u20 level due to his size. He could only last about 50 minutes before being gassed at that level. His lack of fitness and technique is counting against him now.

 

[big ginger 8]

Except he didn't. Daniel O'Byrne played 3.

Stewart Maguire joinded the Leinster academy from Newport Gwent Dragons. He's a big lump who destroyed scrums at u20 level due to his size. He could only last about 50 minutes before being gassed at that level. His lack of fitness and technique is counting against him now.

I was at the final he was wearing three on his back. Guys from my school who know him were chanting Byrne number 3 and papers always say captain and "tighthead Ed Byrne". I'm sure he can play 1 but everything I've seen points to him playing tighthead this year.

you said that he is better than Gethin Jenkins though ... probably the best loosehead in the world, I actually agree he has improved and holds his own (mostly) at scrum time but rarely dominates a scrum



You Google him, there is nothing other than he is in the Ireland under 18 squad, how was I supposed to know he had been in Ireland for 5 years

Never said he was better than Jenkins. Said he'd had a better 6n (before the England game) never said he was a better player.

Peat found some stuff didn't he?

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I was at the final he was wearing three on his back. Guys from my school who know him were chanting Byrne number 3 and papers always say captain and "tighthead Ed Byrne". I'm sure he can play 1 but everything I've seen points to him playing tighthead this year.

You're wrong. See below:

Plenty has already been printed about the immensely powerful Byrne brothers; Edward the captain and a loosehead prop, the likes of which we have not seen since Cian Healy in 2005, while identical twin and hooker Bryan may be a few kilos lighter but has an similar corrosive approach.However, all eyes switched to Clongowes tighthead Daniel O'Byrne when he barrelled through four defenders for the first of five tries.
CLONGOWES WOOD COLLEGE: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmons. Replacements: J Sullivan for C McQuaid, G McVerry for M Nicholson (both 50 mins), S Mullholland for P Timmons (54 mins), C O'Donoghue for M McFarland (57 mins), D Donnellon for J Wallace (61 mins), R Collins for E Byrne (65 mins), D Garty for B Byrne (66 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0203/1224311174802.html

Before we get to that, Byrne's twin brother and captain Edward must be highlighted as, yet again, he performed like a loosehead prop poised to enter the professional ranks.
CLONGOWES: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmons. Replacements: G McVerry for S Fromm (29 mins), S Mullholland for P Timmons (40 mins), J Sullivan for M Nicholson (62 mins), D Donnellan for B Byrne (65 mins), D Garty for E Byrne (68 mins), K Cowhey for S Kealan, C O'Donohue for N Rhatigan (both 69 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0222/1224312168198.html

CLONGOWES: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicolson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmins. Replacements: J Sullivan for C McQuaid (52 mins), C O'Donoghue for N Rhatigan (59 minutes), K Cowhey for J Wallace (70 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0305/1224312795084.html

ST MICHAEL'S captured only their second ever ***le yesterday thanks to their collective superiority, an intercept try and the brilliance of Dan Leavy.He's probably the best teenager playing rugby in Ireland right now. If not, then it must be Clongowes' loosehead prop Edward Byrne.
CLONGOWES WOOD COLLEGE: M McFarland; C Mahony, G McVerry, S Fromm, C O'Donoghue; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Keelan, P Timmins. Replacements: J Sullivan for M Nicholson (42 mins), C Burke for C McQuaid (59 mins), S Mullholland for J Wallace (64 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0319/1224313528057.html

 

[big ginger 8]

You're wrong.

Plenty has already been printed about the immensely powerful Byrne brothers; Edward the captain and a loosehead prop, the likes of which we have not seen since Cian Healy in 2005, while identical twin and hooker Bryan may be a few kilos lighter but has an similar corrosive approach.However, all eyes switched to Clongowes tighthead Daniel O'Byrne when he barrelled through four defenders for the first of five tries.
CLONGOWES WOOD COLLEGE: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmons. Replacements: J Sullivan for C McQuaid, G McVerry for M Nicholson (both 50 mins), S Mullholland for P Timmons (54 mins), C O'Donoghue for M McFarland (57 mins), D Donnellon for J Wallace (61 mins), R Collins for E Byrne (65 mins), D Garty for B Byrne (66 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0203/1224311174802.html



Before we get to that, Byrne's twin brother and captain Edward must be highlighted as, yet again, he performed like a loosehead prop poised to enter the professional ranks.
CLONGOWES: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmons. Replacements: G McVerry for S Fromm (29 mins), S Mullholland for P Timmons (40 mins), J Sullivan for M Nicholson (62 mins), D Donnellan for B Byrne (65 mins), D Garty for E Byrne (68 mins), K Cowhey for S Kealan, C O'Donohue for N Rhatigan (both 69 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0222/1224312168198.html


CLONGOWES: M McFarland; C Mahony, C O'Hanrahan, S Fromm, N Rhatigan; M Nicolson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Kealan, P Timmins. Replacements: J Sullivan for C McQuaid (52 mins), C O'Donoghue for N Rhatigan (59 minutes), K Cowhey for J Wallace (70 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0305/1224312795084.html


ST MICHAEL'S captured only their second ever ***le yesterday thanks to their collective superiority, an intercept try and the brilliance of Dan Leavy.He's probably the best teenager playing rugby in Ireland right now. If not, then it must be Clongowes' loosehead prop Edward Byrne.
CLONGOWES WOOD COLLEGE: M McFarland; C Mahony, G McVerry, S Fromm, C O'Donoghue; M Nicholson, C McQuaid; E Byrne (capt), B Byrne, D O'Byrne; J Paul, R Daly; J Wallace, S Keelan, P Timmins. Replacements: J Sullivan for M Nicholson (42 mins), C Burke for C McQuaid (59 mins), S Mullholland for J Wallace (64 mins).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0319/1224313528057.html

In fairness your dedicated I'll give you that. I don't know it's happened but everytime I've read an Irish Times report I could swear they'd said he's a tighthead and listed him as one. Strange that the online version. I actually have the paper with the report on the semi in it beside me. Obviously I can't exactly prove same as I can't prove that Niall Rhatigan is my second cousin so I guess you win this round.

 

[Toko_11]

This is not a big deal at all... First of all he is a prop and right now we have so many great props. not only in our national team but also u23, u20, u15... basically we have so many good front rowers on so many levels that we don't even know what to do with them, In fact if players on other positions were as good we would be competing for the RWC. (if he was a back than its a totally different situation)

Secondly if he even considers playing for another country(Youth levels excluded) he wont be let close to Georgian national team no matter how good he is.. Rugby players in Georgia are special kinds of athletes, they are the most patriotic and proud people around.

there also might be a reason he plays for IRE U18... that's the strategy Georgian soccer players usually use, if they live in another country and are good they will play for the u19 team there but when the time comes most of them would choose to come back to Georgia.

And lastly even if he makes it as a prop in Ireland doesn't mean he could make it in Georgia. looking at the lineups now i don't see how Irish props are better then their Georgian counterparts. But making a name in Ireland would be much easier than doing the same in Georgia. As a Georgian nobody knows your name unless you become best foreigner in France or win the damn top14...

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Last year he played tighthead. The year before that he was loosehead.

 

[Groundhog]

You're wrong. See below:

You out schools-rugby'd Big Ginger
Have a virtual handshake

 

[lucky number 7]

Agree with you Toko11

Georgia second choice props are probably better than Ireland's first choice anyway, and fifth choice better than their second choice

at loosehead prop there is Vasil Kakovin who is immense and easily better than Healy, Davit Khinchagishvili has much experience and is probably at least as good if not better than Healy got the better of Sale's scrum last time I saw him play and good in the loose as well definitely better than Ireland's second choice, and Anton Peikrishvili and Mikheil Nariashvili are good players for third and fourth choice and Goderzi Shvelidze is still there and Zurab Zhvania who is only 20 looks a good hope for the future

at tighthead prop there is Davit Kubriashvili, Giorgi Jgenti and Davit Zirakashvili all good enough to start for most team's front row, Zirakashvili though is definitely more of a running prop whilst the other two are scrummaging props, so there is a sacrifice to playing him, still all better than Ross and Court

makes me laugh thinking that Ireland have Loughney as their Wolfhounds prop, alongside Stephen Archer

Fine , we know that.. but aside from the front row and Mr. Gorgodze you'd be hard pressed to argue a case for any georgian being better than a member of the Irish set up.

Do you know what makes me laugh... you seem like an upset child posting here.

 

[big ginger 8]

Fine , we know that.. but aside from the front row and Mr. Gorgodze you'd be hard pressed to argue a case for any georgian being better than a member of the Irish set up.

Do you know what makes me laugh... you seem like an upset child posting here.

Look he loves the developing nations and clearly isn't the biggest fan of Ireland. Despite not being the most informed person on it. Also how Loughney and Archer were their I don't know their's a number of props better.

 

[Groundhog]

The hooker Bregvadze would get into the 22 and challenge Best, apart from that nobody would challenge right now, still Ireland were better than England on paper outside the front row (apart from at centre and scrum half) last weekend but look at the score, not even close

as for your second point, I wouldn't say that is the case or what posts would make you think that, it's CMac, Tadginator and Superprop who are the upset kids here always bickering and taking threads off topic



how do you come to that conclusion?

Feicarsinn, Snoopy Snoopy and Munstermuffin are some of the best posters here, Leinster play great rugby and are the best team in Europe, the Leinster version of Sexton is along with Trinh-Duc the best 10 in Europe probably, Ferris is immense

I don't know why you would think just because I said that Georgia have more depth and better props, and I don't rate Healy as high as Jenkins and I pointed out that was a stage that some people thought SOB was some sort of wild unstoppable beast and always got more credit than Ferris

and what exactly makes me uninformed on it? other than I didn't know a prop had been in Ireland for five years which wasn't easy to find on internet

also you are getting your there and their mixed up

and stop giving yourself rep as well

Oh please you basically started a thread just begging for Irish posters to argue with you. Just take a look at the ***le. You're totally overreacting to an extremely minor occurance. Also if you "didn't know a prop had been in Ireland for 5 years" why are you posting this and making accusations

 

[Groundhog]

Yes I understand that but if you don't have the facts don't make assumptions

 

[lucky number 7]

People were giving more credit to SOB than Ferris for the very reason that Ferris was not able to play rugby for the favority of SOB's breakthrough season...It's hard to compliment a players form when he is not playing.


The reason I think you sound like a child is that you immediately took a stab at SOB in order to get a rise from me , you started a thread bashing the Irish for giving quality coaching to a young player , you reiterated twice on one post how Ireland should stop stealing Georgian props when it was not the case without looking at the other players poached all over the rugby world.

 

[big ginger 8]

The hooker Bregvadze would get into the 22 and challenge Best, apart from that nobody would challenge right now, still Ireland were better than England on paper outside the front row (apart from at centre and scrum half) last weekend but look at the score, not even close

as for your second point, I wouldn't say that is the case or what posts would make you think that, it's CMac, Tadginator and Superprop who are the upset kids here always bickering and taking threads off topic



how do you come to that conclusion?

Feicarsinn, Snoopy Snoopy and Munstermuffin are some of the best posters here, Leinster play great rugby and are the best team in Europe, the Leinster version of Sexton is along with Trinh-Duc the best 10 in Europe probably, Ferris is immense

I don't know why you would think just because I said that Georgia have more depth and better props, and I don't rate Healy as high as Jenkins and I pointed out that was a stage that some people thought SOB was some sort of wild unstoppable beast and always got more credit than Ferris

and what exactly makes me uninformed on it? other than I didn't know a prop had been in Ireland for five years which wasn't easy to find on internet

also you are getting your there and their mixed up

and stop giving yourself rep as well

That's pathetic seriously.

I'm basing my opinion on a number of posts I've seen over my time on the forum. Your knowledge of Irish rugby in comparison to your knowledge of Georgian rugby is not that good posts such as your Irish squad for the Summer tests suggest this to me.. I'll say it again I never said Healy was better than Jenkins and in case you didn't notice I've always rated Ferris higher (sorry LN7) than SO'B. Yes I got my there's mixed up there well done you don't use capital letters I don't feel the need to bring that up. I've never repped myself. It's a joke among people I actually know. (I did rep myself with superduperprop but that account has no rep on it so it doesn't exactly count.)

 

[Croket66]

The young guy plays at prop,

There are a amazing number of young props with a good level in Georgia. For sur if he played as Fly half or Full back, this selection would be dramatic for Georgia

Here is a list of young props who plays in a foreign country

Born 1989 :
Vasil Kakovin (CA Brive, Top14, France)
Giorgi Jashitashvili (ASM Clermont, espoirs, France)
Saba Kartvelishvili (CA Lannemezan, Federale 1, France)

Born 1990 :
Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier HRC, Top14, France)
Giorgi Menabdishvili (FC Grenoble, espoirs, France)
Giorgi Gabelia (AS St Junien, Federale 1, France)

Born 1991 :
Levan Chilachava (RC Toulon, espoirs & Amlin Cup, France)
Zurab Zhvania (Stade Français, espoirs, France)

Born 1992 :
Vato Rapava (Saracens, academy, England)
Guram Bazadze (Old Blue RFC, USA)

Born 1993 :
Giorgi Tetrashvili (SC Albi, espoirs, France)
Vakhtang Akhobadze (SC Albi, espoirs, France)

Born 1994 :
Saba Meunargia (Connacht, U18, Ireland)

plus some very good props who are playing in Georgia

But this young player, Saba Meunargia, is the only prop born in 1994 to play at this level,
if Georgia is qualified for the next JWC, i hope he will choose his country of origin...

 

[Groundhog]

The young guy plays at prop,

There are a amazing number of young props with a good level in Georgia. For sur if he played as Fly half or Full back, this poaching would be dramatic for Georgia

Here is a list of young props who plays in a foreign country

Born 1989 :
Vasil Kakovin (CA Brive, Top14, France)
Giorgi Jashitashvili (ASM Clermont, espoirs, France)
Saba Kartvelishvili (CA Lannemezan, Federale 1, France)

Born 1990 :
Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier HRC, Top14, France)
Giorgi Menabdishvili (FC Grenoble, espoirs, France)
Giorgi Gabelia (AS St Junien, Federale 1, France)

Born 1991 :
Levan Chilachava (RC Toulon, espoirs & Amlin Cup, France)
Zurab Zhvania (Stade Français, espoirs, France)

Born 1992 :
Vato Rapava (Saracens, academy, England)
Guram Bazadze (Old Blue RFC, USA)

Born 1993 :
Giorgi Tetrashvili (SC Albi, espoirs, France)
Vakhtang Akhobadze (SC Albi, espoirs, France)

Born 1994 :
Saba Meunargia (Connacht, U18, Ireland)

plus some very good props who are playing in Ireland

But this young player, Saba Meunargia, is the only prop born in 1994 to play at this level,
if Georgia is qualified for the next JWC, i hope he will choose his country of origin...

I really dislike your use of the word poaching. He moved here several years ago, not to specifically play rugby. How is that poaching

 

[Croket66]

Ok, this selection if you prefer

 

[Gavin]

Who really cares about this non-story? I certainly don't.

 

[Irishflanker]

Because I thought he hadn't spent 5 years

Can you change the ***le of the thread? If so this whole farce of an argument might simmer down... might be worth a try, for everybody's sake.