Ireland - England @ New Landsdowne Road, Dublin (27-08-2011, 14:30 GMT)

[calculon]

I've already imparted my divine wisdom on how this game should be approached:
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?24101-Ireland-15

Failing that, bring bag the Geoghegan out of retirement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4R4JjIFu7Q

If England put out an under-strength team, it might well be that Ireland (in whatever form it shows up) is beaten by the conglomeration of the NZ and SA 4th. teams..won't that be promising!!!

We'd have to play Brett Wilkinson in as a sub to retrieve some psychological repair..then again he's not a bad player!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If England put out an under-strength team, it might well be that Ireland (in whatever form it shows up) is beaten by the conglomeration of the NZ and SA 4th. teams..won't that be promising!!!

 

[Feicarsinn]

What are you wearing a suit at 9 o'clock on a sunday?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Are you not?

 

[Feicarsinn]

Are you not?

I am fully naked, now and always.

 

[Leinster+]

scrum wise, Ireland will push England backwards once and the entire crowd and Irish rugby public will say that Mike Ross is God. England will push Ireland around for the rest of the game, and sufficient reward via penalties and then yellow cards and penalty tries will depend entirely on the referee.Not that the scrum is an issue, since England need to learn that rugby is about scoring the most points, not about pushing people around in the scrum and telling everyone you're stronger than them.On that basis, expect to see England scoring maybe one try from an interception on 80 minutes.

What happened in Dublin in March??? Proved Mike Ross was God and England can be pushed around. Memory isn't that good is it???

 

[Co2en5]

Pfft, impatient, couldn't wait for me to make the thread....


Also Wales vs England is biggest rivalry in the Six Nations/Northern Hemisphere/The World

Australia/NZ?

 

[eot345]

Not sure about the England side, can't really make a full judgement until the 30man squad is announced tomorrow, but I think something like:



1. Sheridan (if fit, Corbs if not)
2. Hartley
3. Stevens
4. Lawes
5. Palmer
6. Croft
7. Haskell
8. Easter
9. Youngs/Wigglesworth (not sure if Youngs is match fit yet)
10. Wilkinson
11. Cueto
12. Hape/Tindall
13. Tindall/Tuilagi
14. Ashton
15. Foden

Thompson
Cole,
Deacon,
Wood,
Wigglesworth/Simpson (depending on Youngs starting),
Flood,
Armitage



We'll get dicked - If both Ashton and Tuilagi start then there's a 50/50 of us getting a try (and that'll be from a Foden counter finished off by one of them, as whoever writes the gameplan for England forgets about the ball getting past 12), if one/both don't, then we'll get a couple of penalties on the board at most

I'd prefer a slightly different team:

1. Sheridan(if fit)
2.Hartley
3.stevens (give cole a rest)
4.lawes
5.palmer
6.croft
7.Moody (if fit)
8.Haskell
9.youngs (if fit)
10.Flood
11.Monye
12.Wilko
13.Manu
14.Ashton
15.Foden

16.Cole
17.Thompson
18.shaw
19.Easter
20.JSD
21.Fluety (I wish allen was in the squad)
22.Armitage



I do not rate corbisiero v much, not as highly as joe marler and certainly not has highly as stevens cole or sheridan
I think that flood is twice the player alonside youngs and so thats why i think he should remain the starting 10. i think wilko should go 12 simply because he is too good for fluety to be picked over him Hape is consistant... ly **** just my thoughts

 

[TRF_Olyy]

This is what I think Johnson will pick, not necessarily what I would pick

I hope that Youngs/Flood don't start together - I agree that on form they're our best halfback pairing, but Flood isn't on form, Youngs is just back from injury, and they're both naff vs Ireland/Irish teams/in the Aviva

 

[Logorrhea]

Going back to the previous post if Ferris played 4 that would give our scrum even more power.

**** sake. Ferris is not, has not and will not ever be a 4. Its not an option, has never been an option, will never be an option. Why would you want to stick someone that dynamic into the role of ruck hitter and invisible work guy?

scrum wise, Ireland will push England backwards once and the entire crowd and Irish rugby public will say that Mike Ross is God.

You are denying a deity? Nahhh I kinda agree with you with regards to our over-praise of Mike Ross. The thing is we havent had a tight head in about 10-15 years, and we can import them from New Zealand or South Africa like you guys do, so you can understand our enthusiasm. Matt Stevens is a huge positive for you guys, a massive step up from Dan Cole in the scrum. He could do us a lot of damage. If you play Corbisero and Cole and we will be comfortable enough. The again if Poite is referee he'll ping us regardless of how you guys scrum.

As for the game. I was reasonably enthusiastic about our chances before the last French game but then O'Leary happened. Ive lost the will to care to be honest. One of the teams will win 6-3 on the scoreboard and 21-20 on the error count.

 

[eot345]

**** sake. Ferris is not, has not and will not ever be a 4. Its not an option, has never been an option, will never be an option. Why would you want to stick someone that dynamic into the role of ruck hitter and invisible work guy?


You are denying a deity? Nahhh I kinda agree with you with regards to our over-praise of Mike Ross. The thing is we havent had a tight head in about 10-15 years, and we can import them from New Zealand or South Africa like you guys do, so you can understand our enthusiasm. Matt Stevens is a huge positive for you guys, a massive step up from Dan Cole in the scrum. He could do us a lot of damage. If you play Corbisero and Cole and we will be comfortable enough. The again if Poite is referee he'll ping us regardless of how you guys scrum.

As for the game. I was reasonably enthusiastic about our chances before the last French game but then O'Leary happened. Ive lost the will to care to be honest. One of the teams will win 6-3 on the scoreboard and 21-20 on the error count.

It would be too much to say that stevens is a massive step up from cole in the scrum, Dan cole has proved his ablity against NZ, Wales, France, and others and should not be underestimated. secondly I doubt that even the mighty mike ross will be able to out scrummage the english pack rgardless of who we play. (agree though that corbisiero is the weakest of our choices) expecially if cian Healy can't or isn't playing

 

[eot345]

This is what I think Johnson will pick, not necessarily what I would pick

I hope that Youngs/Flood don't start together - I agree that on form they're our best halfback pairing, but Flood isn't on form, Youngs is just back from injury, and they're both naff vs Ireland/Irish teams/in the Aviva

my mistake :0

 

[Logorrhea]

Dan cole has proved his ablity against NZ, Wales, France, and others and should not be underestimated.

Dan Cole has played against all those teams and has proved he is the weakest prop in the English setup when it comes to scrummaging. I'm not questioning his character, ability around the field, or as a lineout lifter, but as a scrummager hes not up to the same standard as the others yet. Hes young though, and will get better.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Weird thing with Cole - last year (summer and autumn) he was superb, he ruined the Aussie scrum (though at the time that was pretty easy for anyone) but also bettered the ABs and held his own against the Boks
In the Six Nations he did well against France and Wales, but then his form has slipped

Same can be said about Flood and Youngs as well though - what is it about the England camp that gets young Tigers players to regress as players?


Also, Stevens is as English as Heaslip and ROG are Irish (born in a different country to English parents)

 

[JW.]

Lol the one thing England don't need to do is import props... What a 'clever' thing to say lol.

Anyone know what time the England 30 is announced?

 

[Logorrhea]

Eh? He was the better prop vs New Zealand (he caused whichever Franks bro it was to be subbed early for Afoa, at which point the ABs scrum was steady, nothing more)

Did well against Wales in the 6N, Did well against France in the 6N. What more does he need to do?

Grand so. I take it back. Hes the most powerful scrummager you guys have. Thats what your saying yeah?

 

[JW.]

Well if you outscrummage an AB's frontrow and play very well against SA and France you're a pretty good prop.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Grand so. I take it back. Hes the most powerful scrummager you guys have. Thats what your saying yeah?

At the moment, no - but he did more by the age of 23 than Ireland have done in the past 15yrs, so......

I edited that anyway as it made it sound like I was saying he was the greatest :lol:

 

[big ginger 8]

Logs I'm simply saying it's worth finding out if Ferris can play there 4's are usually more dynamic look at the likes of Lawes.

Also Mike Ross is technically an excellent scrummager and very smart in what he's done. He's handled so many topclass scrums (don't forget the tighthead takes on the hooker and loosehead) and don't remember the Irish scrum going back with Ross on against England. How many tightheads could have fixed their scrum so well at half time? Don't give me the bullshit that the Saints were a bit tired.

 

[JW.]

It's not bullshit that the saints were tired lol, there squad was to small to play such a long season and they just collapsed. But thats a whole different discussion lol.

We will all see on saturday who has the stronger scrum etc.