Game of Thrones Discussion [SPOILERS]

[RedruthRFC]

There's little evidence of dragons doing anything other than their own thing when left to their own devices. Given the deliberate nature of the attacks on the supplies, it seems clear to me that they need a rider. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that Dany didn't appear to be wearing heavy armour to protect from the inevitable barrage of arrows. It's not like a few extra kilos is going to slow Drogon down.

 

[RedruthRFC]

Yeh it was Bron.

How do we know this. I just assumed it was, but I was talking to a friend last night who pointed out that it's just an assumption and said that she'd re-watched the clip and wasn't able to be sure that it was Bron.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

My guess is Dickon,
Think he's going to have a big part to play and having him save Jaime's life (twice) gets them closer.
That said jumping that height/That speed in full armour is no joke.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

My guess is Dickon,
Think he's going to have a big part to play and having him save Jaime's life (twice) gets them closer.
That said jumping that height/That speed in full armour is no joke.

If you slow it down you can see that he actually jumps off a horse that's running slightly behind/alongside Jaime. Still can't tell who it is though.
I'm really picking holes here but surely no horse, regardless of how well-trained it is, is going to be willing to charge directly at a dragon.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If you slow it down you can see that he actually jumps off a horse that's running slightly behind/alongside Jaime. Still can't tell who it is though.

Can you see if they're wearing armour? Cause that'd rule Bron out. In my head they are but I'm probably just thinking of the shot of Jaime sinking

This is all getting very nitpicky for something that'll be solved in the first scene next week

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Can you see if they're wearing armour? Cause that'd rule Bron out. In my head they are but I'm probably just thinking of the shot of Jaime sinking

This is all getting very nitpicky for something that'll be solved in the first scene next week

for me this timestamp @0:47 seconds clearly shows he isn't wearing armour certainly not the same Armour Dickon had

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Also you can see the person who saves jamie has longer messy hair compared to Dickon's clean cut.

Another thing notice that the person who saves jamie isn't wearing thick leather gloves but fingerless mitts by the looks of it which Bron wears in this scene.

How do we know this. I just assumed it was, but I was talking to a friend last night who pointed out that it's just an assumption and said that she'd re-watched the clip and wasn't able to be sure that it was Bron.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Spoils_of_War

Hardcore Fans updating the Wiki version of the Spoils of War episode also think Bronn saved Jamie.

 

[stus768]

Looks like Bronn. Correct colour horse as well.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Dear lord ... lot of drama who "saved" him ...

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Is it ok to talk about something in the episode 5 trailer or is that spoiler territory?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Is it ok to talk about something in the episode 5 trailer or is that spoiler territory?

Lord @TRF_Olyy will have to answer this ...

 

[big ginger 8]

If you slow it down you can see that he actually jumps off a horse that's running slightly behind/alongside Jaime. Still can't tell who it is though.
I'm really picking holes here but surely no horse, regardless of how well-trained it is, is going to be willing to charge directly at a dragon.

Real horses have charged, cannons, machine gun fire and even tanks. A properly trained war horse was no joke.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Real horses have charged, cannons, machine gun fire and even tanks. A properly trained war horse was no joke.

But that's all mechanical, a horse could well charge a tank with no idea that it's dangerous. A dragon on the other hand is... a dragon.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

But that's all mechanical, a horse could well charge a tank with no idea that it's dangerous. A dragon on the other hand is... a dragon.

They are pack animals and a well trained horse will do what the "Alpha" tells it regardless of what is in front of it, it's a reason why they are used in the riot control.

I think you underestimate the control a rider has on a horse.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

They are pack animals and a well trained horse will do what the "Alpha" tells it regardless of what is in front of it, it's a reason why they are used in the riot control.

I think you underestimate the control a rider has on a horse.

I probably do, I've never been a horse rider but it just doesn't make sense to me that a creature with no insentive to kill or no understanding of what a war is would be willing to give it's life simply because it's rider wants it to. I'm not denying that that is the case, it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I probably do, I've never been a horse rider but it just doesn't make sense to me that a creature with no insentive to kill or no understanding of what a war is would be willing to give it's life simply because it's rider wants it to. I'm not denying that that is the case, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Speaking as someone who has been around horses all his life your're overthinking it.

Horses don't see it as giving their lives or know what a war is etc TBH they just do it (Well trained ones of course) its a pack mentality they follow the leader and the leader is the rider.

 

[The Jones Boy]

Alexander of Macedon won several key battles against the Persian Empire by waiting until his foot troops , (Phalanx, usually 16 men deep) were engaged with the enemy. When they were in the struggle of battle Alexander would take his personal Companion Cavalry along the line and attack in a frontal cavalry charge at the point where two enemy units abutted to each other facing the enemy.
He drove his cavalry in a wedge shaped formation creating a bigger hole as they advanced into the enemy ranks creating a gaping hole in the enemy line allowing his infantry to turn in and attack the flanks and so the battle was won. Granicus and Issus were key battles in the success of Alexander where this tactic was employed.

William the Conqueror was confident that nothing the English had on foot could withstand his heavy cavalry.
At Hastings Harold cleverly placed his shield wall at the top of a steep crest so the advancing Heavy horse could not get the necessary momentum to break his line. The Norman arrows did the job in that case and the rest is history.
Agincourt, the French were over confident that their chivalric cavalry were going to ride over the English infantry and massacre the English bowmen. (Why wouldn't they? Heavy Cavalry of armoured knights on armoured warhorses were a fearsome strike weapon. Very little withstood them historically.)
They would have too if not for the dire mud and the channelling of the killing ground giving the English (and Welsh) archers (Longbowmen) the advantage.

The Dothraki are not armoured nor are their horses so they are vulnerable to the long spears but as they rush forward in a massive mob they dont fear the static enemy and their mass gives them the edge as they push against the thin line of spearmen.
The biggest enemy of troops is fear.
Morale is key in any battle and especially prior to 1500 when gunpowder plays an increasingly prominent role in warfare. Once the line is broken, it's very rare that the side that suffers that misfortune ever gets anything much from the day.
A dragon is as much a psychological weapon as a tactically potent physical weapon.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Who is going to be the 3rd head of the dragon? If Daeny rides Drogon, JS rides Raeghal, then who rides Viscerion? I think I know who and why but can we discuss this?

 

[TRF_heineken]

Who is going to be the 3rd head of the dragon? If Daeny rides Drogon, JS rides Raeghal, then who rides Viscerion? I think I know who and why but can we discuss this?

I think it has been well established that it's going to be Tyrion...

 

[ncurd]

but can we discuss this?

Speculation is not spoilers.