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wertas
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I don't remember actually, but I think it was Marty who caused much trouble in the center.
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Nov 30 2009, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
the point is that none of SH players plays that number of matches during the year , appart players that play in NH ...So none of new zealanders...Averagely , players from NH played at least 10 more matches during a season than SH players . Consequences are multiple : more injuries , less time to prepare matches with national teams , less time for specific preparation like musculation , tonicity and automatisms ...
AB have time to really work combinations , to repeat them a lot as France has not so much time to prepare itself on these details . and , as you can see on saturday , it is details that make lot of differences on a result
In NZ or Australia , the national team is very important and players have a specific contract with their federation as in France it does work like that at all , it is always difficult from clubs to let go their players for the national team . It has improved these last year with a decrease of matches for championship but still we are far from what is happening in SH .
Overall it does not mean that we would play like AB if we had more time to prepare ourself in good conditions but you can't hide the fact that it is not very fair in a way ...but once again , it is like that .
I'm one of the guy who think that the best thing that could happen to us is to see a majority of SH players coming to NH to play with our cadences and it would be more fair for international matches ...but it would decrease obviously the quality of the SH rugby ....
I'm sure most of SH guys think that it is bullshit all of that , that the rugby in SH is better than in NH ..i would like one day to see all these players playing the same number of matches and having the same time of preparation and we would be able to really compare on a fair basis .
There is less running rugby in NH , it is true and sad in the meantime , it is less spectacular ...it is again a consequence of these high cadences you can find in NH .
Do not get me wrong , not every players from NH have more matches than players from SH but if we compare players that plays in National teams , without doubt , NH players are playing more matches (even more in France ...guys from Toulouse for example , they have to play 28 matches of championship + semi-final/final + 8 matches of heineken cup + international matches ...you reach easily 45-50 matches on a season ..when do you take some holidays to make rest your body ?? ) .
It is a point that deserves a new topic defenitly and far from me to explain the defeat of saturday with that It is frustrating for a supporter like me to see this difference it exists between AB and France and to think that it is almost impossible to cover this difference because of our cadences and the fact that , in FR , Clubs and federation are not working so well together , that is all !
the point is that none of SH players plays that number of matches during the year , appart players that play in NH ...So none of new zealanders...Averagely , players from NH played at least 10 more matches during a season than SH players . Consequences are multiple : more injuries , less time to prepare matches with national teams , less time for specific preparation like musculation , tonicity and automatisms ...
AB have time to really work combinations , to repeat them a lot as France has not so much time to prepare itself on these details . and , as you can see on saturday , it is details that make lot of differences on a result
In NZ or Australia , the national team is very important and players have a specific contract with their federation as in France it does work like that at all , it is always difficult from clubs to let go their players for the national team . It has improved these last year with a decrease of matches for championship but still we are far from what is happening in SH .
Overall it does not mean that we would play like AB if we had more time to prepare ourself in good conditions but you can't hide the fact that it is not very fair in a way ...but once again , it is like that .
I'm one of the guy who think that the best thing that could happen to us is to see a majority of SH players coming to NH to play with our cadences and it would be more fair for international matches ...but it would decrease obviously the quality of the SH rugby ....
I'm sure most of SH guys think that it is bullshit all of that , that the rugby in SH is better than in NH ..i would like one day to see all these players playing the same number of matches and having the same time of preparation and we would be able to really compare on a fair basis .
There is less running rugby in NH , it is true and sad in the meantime , it is less spectacular ...it is again a consequence of these high cadences you can find in NH .
Do not get me wrong , not every players from NH have more matches than players from SH but if we compare players that plays in National teams , without doubt , NH players are playing more matches (even more in France ...guys from Toulouse for example , they have to play 28 matches of championship + semi-final/final + 8 matches of heineken cup + international matches ...you reach easily 45-50 matches on a season ..when do you take some holidays to make rest your body ?? ) .
It is a point that deserves a new topic defenitly and far from me to explain the defeat of saturday with that
It is frustrating for a supporter like me to see this difference it exists between AB and France and to think that it is almost impossible to cover this difference because of our cadences and the fact that , in FR , Clubs and federation are not working so well together , that is all !
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wertas @ Nov 30 2009, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I think all our bacliners had their missed tackles and had their good moment too . Clerc is missing his tackle on sivivatu on the first try , Marty is missing one important tackle too on muliaina try , Jauzion is running after muliaina and sivivatu on the same try like if he was in holidays , slow like a cow , Medard was not covering his wing for the sneaky try just after the ruck in our 22 in second half ...they have all missed something when you watch again the match ...but in my understanding , it was more AB that had the fraction of second in advance that permitted them to let french players on the back ...
IMHO i think Jauzion , Traille should be in retirement , marty is not at the good standard to play at high level ,he has not the required tonicity and speed and he will never have ...i think that it would have been different with guys like Mermoz , David , Bastareaud because they are "fresh" and much more athletics than the old crowd ...Clerc is tonic and fast even if on saturday he did not showed it so much...Heymans can be good but i think he is too old if we target the WRC in 2011 , i would prefer a young guys who would have 2 years in front of him to take experiences on international matches ...
I think all our bacliners had their missed tackles and had their good moment too . Clerc is missing his tackle on sivivatu on the first try , Marty is missing one important tackle too on muliaina try , Jauzion is running after muliaina and sivivatu on the same try like if he was in holidays , slow like a cow
, Medard was not covering his wing for the sneaky try just after the ruck in our 22 in second half ...they have all missed something when you watch again the match ...but in my understanding , it was more AB that had the fraction of second in advance that permitted them to let french players on the back ...IMHO i think Jauzion , Traille should be in retirement , marty is not at the good standard to play at high level ,he has not the required tonicity and speed and he will never have ...i think that it would have been different with guys like Mermoz , David , Bastareaud because they are "fresh" and much more athletics than the old crowd ...Clerc is tonic and fast even if on saturday he did not showed it so much...Heymans can be good but i think he is too old if we target the WRC in 2011 , i would prefer a young guys who would have 2 years in front of him to take experiences on international matches ...
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elgringoborracho
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We stuck to a losing tactic of playing open rugby when clearly we didn't have the legs last night, and gave away many easy breaks and tries when we could have more easily closed the game and used Traille's boot to try and stay in the ABs half to limit danger. These sorts of errors happen, particularly in test matches where you don't only play to win, but also to test tactics, players, and combinations of players. Add that to the facts Bernard was talking about in his last posts, and it does explain a lot of why we always play better in WC than during test matches. And that's not only France, but basically all of the 6N teams... I'm not saying it explains the loss entirely, but it does explain why the margin is so important in the end and does not really reflect the quality of the game.
In the long term, it explains why the ABs, who on the contrary always play to win _ and that's why they're so awesome and set the right example _ are usually overconfident during WCs, since they've usually spent the four previous years spanking the nh teams...
CA, I know you think this will never happen again, but it's not something you can really control, when you've pounded three or four times a team like France in games like the last one, it's a bit hard to still entirely fear us at the WC...
In the long term, it explains why the ABs, who on the contrary always play to win _ and that's why they're so awesome and set the right example _ are usually overconfident during WCs, since they've usually spent the four previous years spanking the nh teams...
CA, I know you think this will never happen again, but it's not something you can really control, when you've pounded three or four times a team like France in games like the last one, it's a bit hard to still entirely fear us at the WC...
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Nov 30 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Very nice point and very nice explanation about NH victorys in WC ,Monsieur , we have almost the same time of preparation for WC and as it is in september , that is the beginning of the season for us so fresh players ....but on the long term we just can't compete...
Very nice point and very nice explanation about NH victorys in WC ,Monsieur
, we have almost the same time of preparation for WC and as it is in september , that is the beginning of the season for us so fresh players ....but on the long term we just can't compete...
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Mr.cyclopede
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Bernard said better than me what I meant.
I would precise that not only our players have to play around 50 matches a year, but moreover have to play these ones with permanent high pressure, because our championship is not based on provinces or franchise but clubs that have to fight each year to maintain their TOP14 position. The first ones have to fight to access to the play-off while the latest have to do it to stay in the first division.
Nevertheless every point gained during the season is important, there are no rendez-vous without stake.
About refering, I just mean that there is a logical difference about it beetween the championships and the tests periods.
I would precise that not only our players have to play around 50 matches a year, but moreover have to play these ones with permanent high pressure, because our championship is not based on provinces or franchise but clubs that have to fight each year to maintain their TOP14 position. The first ones have to fight to access to the play-off while the latest have to do it to stay in the first division.
Nevertheless every point gained during the season is important, there are no rendez-vous without stake.
About refering, I just mean that there is a logical difference about it beetween the championships and the tests periods.
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Bernard
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A last one before the night
I agree about pressure in TOP14 . Your system of provinces/franchise is "made to feed" the national team , all of that work together as in France , it does not work in that way ...But i would say that it is a french/french problem and can't be raise as an excuse .
But the number of matches is easily an excuse , it is a fact . I hear you already saying that we should transform our rugby to make it more competitive like yours but the french rugby has buit itself on that and it is not so easy to change it . there is more and more money in the french championship ( i'm not sure about players salarys in SH but i know that it is less than in NH and more precisly in FR..) and so it is kind of more and more complicated to move all of that .
even british are playing less matchs than us , the guiness premiership has 12 clubs and that means 4 less matchs compare to top 14 and the celtic league has 10 provinces (since it exists it had no semifinal/final like top14..appart this year for the first time) . the relation between the federation and clubs/provinces is much more healthy in these countries too compare to Fr .
It is complicated all of that because in the meantime , FR has the richest championship so it means somehow that our championship has the good format to bring money . I read few time ago an article about that and this article was saying that the rugby model of SH won't last long because of the money ...SH players will come more and more in NH because of the money ..and a federation , it is a federation and not a company able to make profitable business as in France few clubs are already becoming little companies with sense of business to create money and to attract more money ...
I think it is sad and i think that we should all make like SH , less match , less money but beautiful rugby ! in the meantime , to be the devil advocate , what is the interest of the rugby ?? to expand itself or to stay as a fight between 8 or 9 nations only ?? only the money will permit to rugby to grow up in our world ...if there is no profit interest , no companies will invest its money in rugby ...
I agree about pressure in TOP14 . Your system of provinces/franchise is "made to feed" the national team , all of that work together as in France , it does not work in that way ...But i would say that it is a french/french problem and can't be raise as an excuse .
But the number of matches is easily an excuse , it is a fact . I hear you already saying that we should transform our rugby to make it more competitive like yours but the french rugby has buit itself on that and it is not so easy to change it . there is more and more money in the french championship ( i'm not sure about players salarys in SH but i know that it is less than in NH and more precisly in FR..) and so it is kind of more and more complicated to move all of that .
even british are playing less matchs than us , the guiness premiership has 12 clubs and that means 4 less matchs compare to top 14 and the celtic league has 10 provinces (since it exists it had no semifinal/final like top14..appart this year for the first time) . the relation between the federation and clubs/provinces is much more healthy in these countries too compare to Fr .
It is complicated all of that because in the meantime , FR has the richest championship so it means somehow that our championship has the good format to bring money . I read few time ago an article about that and this article was saying that the rugby model of SH won't last long because of the money ...SH players will come more and more in NH because of the money ..and a federation , it is a federation and not a company able to make profitable business as in France few clubs are already becoming little companies with sense of business to create money and to attract more money ...
I think it is sad and i think that we should all make like SH , less match , less money but beautiful rugby ! in the meantime , to be the devil advocate , what is the interest of the rugby ?? to expand itself or to stay as a fight between 8 or 9 nations only ?? only the money will permit to rugby to grow up in our world ...if there is no profit interest , no companies will invest its money in rugby ...
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Candyman
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There seems to be a lot of backing and froing here about why one team is better than the other and how many more games this team plays compared to that team! It is like this rugby is a wonderful sport and it has been proven that on any given day any team can beat the other it is just how well you chose to play on that day!!! If my opinion counts for anything I like the French side they play with a lot more Flare than any other NH side with very talented players and apart from the weekends games I feel there is a lot of respect between the two teams and a lot of history.
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Candyman @ Nov 30 2009, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
:bravo:
that is not the good topic to raise these comparisons certainly and as you said , it is like this
Lets put that on a little frustration from saturday
See you on the 24th of september 2011
:bravo:
that is not the good topic to raise these comparisons certainly and as you said , it is like this
Lets put that on a little frustration from saturday
See you on the 24th of september 2011
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Dec 1 2009, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
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shtove
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Good discussion by the French posters. Not sure what Bernard means by tonicity, but I like the talk of cadence in the game.
Looks like the T14 has that Anglo-Saxon idea of real competition, which the celtic league can't do because their teams have limited resources - crowd attendance and player numbers - and have to be centrally funded. But I wonder how long the money is going to be there for French clubs to offer if they're up to their necks in debt?
Looks like the T14 has that Anglo-Saxon idea of real competition, which the celtic league can't do because their teams have limited resources - crowd attendance and player numbers - and have to be centrally funded. But I wonder how long the money is going to be there for French clubs to offer if they're up to their necks in debt?
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 1 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'd love to see that. The winner will be so exhausted that Ireland will beat them in the final.
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Dec 1 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Lol, thats exactly my point. If it works out that way in the draw either team is going to be absolutely ruined after it. No New Zealander assumes we'll win against them. They're getting the kitchen sink!
I'd love to see that. The winner will be so exhausted that Ireland will beat them in the final.
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Lol, thats exactly my point. If it works out that way in the draw either team is going to be absolutely ruined after it. No New Zealander assumes we'll win against them. They're getting the kitchen sink!
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Candyman
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 1 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Lol, thats exactly my point. If it works out that way in the draw either team is going to be absolutely ruined after it. No New Zealander assumes we'll win against them. They're getting the kitchen sink!
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Mybe one from the warehouse as kitchen sinks are expensive these days hahahaha!!
I'd love to see that. The winner will be so exhausted that Ireland will beat them in the final.
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Lol, thats exactly my point. If it works out that way in the draw either team is going to be absolutely ruined after it. No New Zealander assumes we'll win against them. They're getting the kitchen sink!
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Mybe one from the warehouse as kitchen sinks are expensive these days hahahaha!!
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Nov 30 2009, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
:lol:
The sport will stay the people opium ...even in debt !
By tonicity (i must have created the word somehow..oops..) . mean being tonic , nervous and strong ...mmmh ...something like that ...
Good point the crowd attendance ..we have money too because there is a lot of crowd attendance and there is big potential to have more and more people interested by rugby with our quite big population...though it stays limited mainly in South of france , appart Paris for now . It is interesting to see aswell that the English championship has not taken especially habits of their Football championship with loads of money , they have been quicker than france to enter in the professional rugby but it is like they are not "improving" as France do because FR attracts more players with highest salary , even if players moves aswell for others reasons than only the financial motivation .
Sorry for my frenglish sometimes
:lol:
The sport will stay the people opium ...even in debt
! By tonicity (i must have created the word somehow..oops..) . mean being tonic , nervous and strong ...mmmh ...something like that ...
Good point the crowd attendance ..we have money too because there is a lot of crowd attendance and there is big potential to have more and more people interested by rugby with our quite big population...though it stays limited mainly in South of france , appart Paris for now . It is interesting to see aswell that the English championship has not taken especially habits of their Football championship with loads of money , they have been quicker than france to enter in the professional rugby but it is like they are not "improving" as France do because FR attracts more players with highest salary , even if players moves aswell for others reasons than only the financial motivation .
Sorry for my frenglish sometimes
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Nickdnz
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 1 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
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i don't understand how people couldn't work out your first posts. twice bitten three time shy hopefully. We have underestimated france twice before, and we won't do so again, especially with both players AND coaches remembering 2007. If France win it will either be on their own merit and play very very well, or the All Blacks, despite being very prepared not being up to the standard (which is unlikley because we are passionate about beating France in a world cup).
Knowing our luck we'll beat France in the pool matches 30-10 and then lose to them in the finals 19-20, however if we do it will be because France played well...
Or Barnes for some terrible reason referee's us.
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
[/b][/quote]
i don't understand how people couldn't work out your first posts. twice bitten three time shy hopefully. We have underestimated france twice before, and we won't do so again, especially with both players AND coaches remembering 2007. If France win it will either be on their own merit and play very very well, or the All Blacks, despite being very prepared not being up to the standard (which is unlikley because we are passionate about beating France in a world cup).
Knowing our luck we'll beat France in the pool matches 30-10 and then lose to them in the finals 19-20, however if we do it will be because France played well...
Or Barnes for some terrible reason referee's us.
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C A Iversen
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Dec 1 2009, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
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i don't understand how people couldn't work out your first posts. twice bitten three time shy hopefully. We have underestimated france twice before, and we won't do so again, especially with both players AND coaches remembering 2007. If France win it will either be on their own merit and play very very well, or the All Blacks, despite being very prepared not being up to the standard (which is unlikley because we are passionate about beating France in a world cup).
Knowing our luck we'll beat France in the pool matches 30-10 and then lose to them in the finals 19-20, however if we do it will be because France played well...
Or Barnes for some terrible reason referee's us.
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Thanks Nickdnz. I just can't abide the idea of people telling me what I really meant or the other big habit, totally misquoting someone. Still I think they must finally have got the message now. I hope.
I know this has been said over again, but the game really was a fantastic one in the weekend. It's set a really high standard for any test matches this upcoming year. One that may not be met, for the All Blacks at least.
This may sound insulting elgringo, but listen. You hate all New Zealanders and hope some of our All Blacks meet a nasty fate.
You didn't say that? It's terrible being told by others what you think, isn't it?
I never said it'd never happen again, I just said the odds of it have decreased. There is a difference. I've had to repeat this so many times, that I'm well past the mark where I have a right to believe I'm conversing with an inferior intelligence. I don't like thinking that, but if you'd only demonstrate an ability to read my words and take them as what I mean, there'd be no problems.
Don't decode, interpret or decide what I mean for me. It's very rude.
My final say is this, two years have gone by and we still regard France as the most dangerous team for a world cup. Our team did also rate them as dangerous before they came to New Zealand, we did before playing France last weekend and everyone is going to be telling the All Blacks that if we meet you in the World Cup.
They'll sit those boys down, tell them about how confident the AB's were in '99 and '07 going into their matches with France, then show them videos of each match. They will have players who played in those games telling them how they thought going into the games.
It'll be a big thing. If the All Blacks lose to France in the next world cup (and if your listening this time it's possible), it'll be only because France played the game of their lives and played better than an All Blacks side playing the game of their lives also.
I've heard commentators talking about it over here, whenever France is mentioned in the same breath as the world cup, there is passionate talk of revenge. I was at McDonalds 35 minutes ago and a guy was wearing an All blacks top. I said, "Hope we win the next cup". He said, "Yeah, we have too!". I said, "Which side is the side you'd most like to see us beat?". Without a beat, he said "France".
Don't tell us we'll go to sleep. We won't. If we lose, you'll have had all you can take doing it.
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i don't understand how people couldn't work out your first posts. twice bitten three time shy hopefully. We have underestimated france twice before, and we won't do so again, especially with both players AND coaches remembering 2007. If France win it will either be on their own merit and play very very well, or the All Blacks, despite being very prepared not being up to the standard (which is unlikley because we are passionate about beating France in a world cup).
Knowing our luck we'll beat France in the pool matches 30-10 and then lose to them in the finals 19-20, however if we do it will be because France played well...
Or Barnes for some terrible reason referee's us.
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Thanks Nickdnz. I just can't abide the idea of people telling me what I really meant or the other big habit, totally misquoting someone. Still I think they must finally have got the message now. I hope.
I know this has been said over again, but the game really was a fantastic one in the weekend. It's set a really high standard for any test matches this upcoming year. One that may not be met, for the All Blacks at least.
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Radman
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I haven't been a big fan of Rugby these last few years but DAAAAMN!...that game was awesome!.
If the rules could be tweaked to encourage more Rugby like that in the future I will be watching a lot more of it.
I do think penalties should be worth 2 points and Field goals 1 point. I know it would probably take away basically what Rugby has grown to be with the penalties and drop goals being a stand out feature of the game but twas just a suggestion to encourage even more running Rugby.
With tries worth 5 they will be even more valuable and enticing.
If the rules could be tweaked to encourage more Rugby like that in the future I will be watching a lot more of it.
I do think penalties should be worth 2 points and Field goals 1 point. I know it would probably take away basically what Rugby has grown to be with the penalties and drop goals being a stand out feature of the game but twas just a suggestion to encourage even more running Rugby.
With tries worth 5 they will be even more valuable and enticing.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Radman @ Dec 1 2009, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I used to be against the suggestion of penalties going to 2 points but I think it would work. DP should stay at 3 points though.
I used to be against the suggestion of penalties going to 2 points but I think it would work. DP should stay at 3 points though.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Dec 1 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I have understood what you were talking about . said that , even after your 2 big loss against France in WRC , it did not stop you to loose in June in NZ . IT was certainly not the best period for AB to fight against Fr as AB was starting their season and some players were missing but the terror won't never stop you to not fully be ready or not to be in the right mood to play well . Every team of the world would like to play very well (as AB on saturday ) each match but it does not happen every time . Though i'm sure As FR , AB will be highly motivated and won't take FR lightly anymore . But make the statement that AB will plays automatically at the top against FR is , in my mind , a bit risky as a thought
Just kidding and teasing a bit mister Iversen
I agree with points , penalties should be 2 points as drop goal should stay at 3 points because it is hard to score it .
I have understood what you were talking about
. said that , even after your 2 big loss against France in WRC , it did not stop you to loose in June in NZ . IT was certainly not the best period for AB to fight against Fr as AB was starting their season and some players were missing but the terror won't never stop you to not fully be ready or not to be in the right mood to play well . Every team of the world would like to play very well (as AB on saturday ) each match but it does not happen every time . Though i'm sure As FR , AB will be highly motivated and won't take FR lightly anymore . But make the statement that AB will plays automatically at the top against FR is , in my mind , a bit risky as a thought Just kidding and teasing a bit mister Iversen
I agree with points , penalties should be 2 points as drop goal should stay at 3 points because it is hard to score it .
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