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Jer1cho
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I just think that Pienaar is a better rugby player than Zane Kirchner. /end of.
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stormer2010
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Nov 4 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Agreed. But not at fullback.
Agreed. But not at fullback.
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Jer1cho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stormer2010 @ Nov 4 2009, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
No, anywhere.
No, anywhere.
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Prestwick
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Guys, I know you all have worries about PdV and his squad selection...quirks but I'm sure he'll be thinking of something.
...in fact guys, I think Peter de Villiers is thinking of something riiiight nooow...
...in fact guys, I think Peter de Villiers is thinking of something riiiight nooow...
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Juan VdS
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The funniest thing is... that he actually might be thinking of that! :lol:
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Prestwick
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Perish the thought!
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 4 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And great to see noidsay's humour flying over the head of the kicking Dutchmen.
Agree with your points, but this is the crucial one. No idea how it will play out, but that's where the Saffers stand or fall. Have they faced each other before?
And great to see noidsay's humour flying over the head of the kicking Dutchmen.
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Nov 5 2009, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And great to see noidsay's humour flying over the head of the kicking Dutchmen.
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Well actually its's gonna be
Smit Du Plessis Beast
Barcella Servat Mas
Smit is NOT a prop, let alone a tight-head, I'm confident that Barcella will dominate him at scrum time.
The Beast is certainly more active than Mas around the park, but Mas is the more solid tight head of the T14, and the Captain of the French Champion team. He will handle the Beast boaring in the scrums. Besides, Pape (5) is certainly heavier and a better scrummaging lock than Matfield.
Agree with your points, but this is the crucial one. No idea how it will play out, but that's where the Saffers stand or fall. Have they faced each other before?
And great to see noidsay's humour flying over the head of the kicking Dutchmen.
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Well actually its's gonna be
Smit Du Plessis Beast
Barcella Servat Mas
Smit is NOT a prop, let alone a tight-head, I'm confident that Barcella will dominate him at scrum time.
The Beast is certainly more active than Mas around the park, but Mas is the more solid tight head of the T14, and the Captain of the French Champion team. He will handle the Beast boaring in the scrums. Besides, Pape (5) is certainly heavier and a better scrummaging lock than Matfield.
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Jer1cho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 4 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Nov 5 2009, 08:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well we pretty much agree.
Bismarck is more dynamic for sure but Servat is an "old school hooker". Good scrummager, good line-out thows, and very strong in the tight. Gives directions to his props in defense as well. Szarzewski is more similar to Duplessis.
Kanko is like a young Harinordoquy. What Hari lost in pace he regained in experience. His technique is flawless, and his reading of the game is excellent. Kanko needs space to express himself and I think France will try to suffocate the SA forward pack.
I don't deny Steyn can kick. I'm saying it's the only thing he can do. His defense is questionable, as is his running and passing game. Thus the SA game plan is very limited.
Trinh-Duc looks like a more complete player.
Anyway it's gonna be awesome ! Can't wait
Well we pretty much agree.
Bismarck is more dynamic for sure but Servat is an "old school hooker". Good scrummager, good line-out thows, and very strong in the tight. Gives directions to his props in defense as well. Szarzewski is more similar to Duplessis.
Kanko is like a young Harinordoquy. What Hari lost in pace he regained in experience. His technique is flawless, and his reading of the game is excellent. Kanko needs space to express himself and I think France will try to suffocate the SA forward pack.
I don't deny Steyn can kick. I'm saying it's the only thing he can do. His defense is questionable, as is his running and passing game. Thus the SA game plan is very limited.
Trinh-Duc looks like a more complete player.
Anyway it's gonna be awesome ! Can't wait
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Jer1cho
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I remember Morne Steyn making a try saving tackle on Ugo Monye. Pretty much saved our buts. But i agree, it's going to be one hell of a game...
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bates
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Both sides are really really good teams, I think it will be a very close decided by fast descissions.
Good luck to both sides.
# Prestwick; catchy melody. ;-)
Good luck to both sides.
# Prestwick; catchy melody. ;-)
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elgringoborracho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 5 2009, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well we pretty much agree.
Bismarck is more dynamic for sure but Servat is an "old school hooker". Good scrummager, good line-out thows, and very strong in the tight. Gives directions to his props in defense as well. Szarzewski is more similar to Duplessis.
Kanko is like a young Harinordoquy. What Hari lost in pace he regained in experience. His technique is flawless, and his reading of the game is excellent. Kanko needs space to express himself and I think France will try to suffocate the SA forward pack.
I don't deny Steyn can kick. I'm saying it's the only thing he can do. His defense is questionable, as is his running and passing game. Thus the SA game plan is very limited.
Trinh-Duc looks like a more complete player.
Anyway it's gonna be awesome ! Can't wait
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Montpellierain, va!
Trinh Duc has some genious in him we all know it, but he has a lot to learn about high level. Against the world chapions, you have to have experience of big games, and Trinh Duc almost has none.
Steyn on the other hand has won so many tight games for his club and country there's no way he will be impressed.
I want Trinh Duc to play, because it's the only way to learn, but I don't expect him to shine particularly.
So for me it's Steyn, without a doubt
Well we pretty much agree.
Bismarck is more dynamic for sure but Servat is an "old school hooker". Good scrummager, good line-out thows, and very strong in the tight. Gives directions to his props in defense as well. Szarzewski is more similar to Duplessis.
Kanko is like a young Harinordoquy. What Hari lost in pace he regained in experience. His technique is flawless, and his reading of the game is excellent. Kanko needs space to express himself and I think France will try to suffocate the SA forward pack.
I don't deny Steyn can kick. I'm saying it's the only thing he can do. His defense is questionable, as is his running and passing game. Thus the SA game plan is very limited.
Trinh-Duc looks like a more complete player.
Anyway it's gonna be awesome ! Can't wait
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Montpellierain, va!
Trinh Duc has some genious in him we all know it, but he has a lot to learn about high level. Against the world chapions, you have to have experience of big games, and Trinh Duc almost has none.
Steyn on the other hand has won so many tight games for his club and country there's no way he will be impressed.
I want Trinh Duc to play, because it's the only way to learn, but I don't expect him to shine particularly.
So for me it's Steyn, without a doubt
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elgringoborracho @ Nov 5 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well Morne Steyn has 9 caps, Trinh-Duc has 12. Trinh-Duc has generally played behind a beaten pack whereas Steyn is used to have all the time in the world to kick out of hand and gets the defensive work cut out for him by the loosies.
Steyn has played the Lions, Oz and NZ. FTD has played 2 6Nations, a suicide tour in Oz, Argentina, and NZ twice, with a nice try. In terms of international experience I would say it is fairly even, and in terms of skills, FTD is more diversified than Steyn (in my opinion).
Montpellierain, va!
Trinh Duc has some genious in him we all know it, but he has a lot to learn about high level. Against the world chapions, you have to have experience of big games, and Trinh Duc almost has none.
Steyn on the other hand has won so many tight games for his club and country there's no way he will be impressed.
I want Trinh Duc to play, because it's the only way to learn, but I don't expect him to shine particularly.
So for me it's Steyn, without a doubt[/b]
Well Morne Steyn has 9 caps, Trinh-Duc has 12. Trinh-Duc has generally played behind a beaten pack whereas Steyn is used to have all the time in the world to kick out of hand and gets the defensive work cut out for him by the loosies.
Steyn has played the Lions, Oz and NZ. FTD has played 2 6Nations, a suicide tour in Oz, Argentina, and NZ twice, with a nice try. In terms of international experience I would say it is fairly even, and in terms of skills, FTD is more diversified than Steyn (in my opinion).
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thomas
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I don't know what to expect from this game really...
I just watched a video of this year's Currie Cup final and I must say that it looks like a TOP 14 with speed multiplied by 2 and intensity at rucking... multiplied by 10...
Would go for a tight victory for the Springboks, by 2/3 pts...
I know a lot of people are hoping the french squad to do the same game as in Nov 2006 (or was it 2005, don't remember)
but I doubt it...
I just watched a video of this year's Currie Cup final and I must say that it looks like a TOP 14 with speed multiplied by 2 and intensity at rucking... multiplied by 10...
Would go for a tight victory for the Springboks, by 2/3 pts...
I know a lot of people are hoping the french squad to do the same game as in Nov 2006 (or was it 2005, don't remember)
but I doubt it...
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stormer2010
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Nov 4 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Pienaar is a dull instrament. He looked very average at 10 against Leicester just now and even got outshone by Earl Rose. Here's hoping he never puts on a Springbok no 15 jersey. 9, maybe, 15, please no. Maybe he got screwed over by the Shraks and Springboks playing him wherever they felt they needed to stop a hole. Again, most overrated player in SA.
We gonna get raped at scrumtime; look at Guthro and Jannie. hy PdV doesn't select the best frontrow available to him is beyond me. His slection policy looks seems to be; Ja, the Sharks' scrum got a lesson from pretty much everyone and the Bulls also struggle in the scrums in the Currie cup yet they are the stronger teams in SA so lets select a weak scrum even picking the Sharks replacement prop. Castrogiovani, legend that he is, raped du Plessis. One cannot say WP Nel would have done better because he of course didn't get a chance but you have to select your best player in each position and the criteria for props should be their work in the scrum.
..and, Ja, I like dissing Sharks supporters.
We'll have to dominate the French in the line-outs or Brussou has to be working overtime to get our posession and penalties because I think the French can fancy themselves in the scrum. Here's hoping pdV gets a moment of clarity and flies in Wian du Preez and WP Nel but I guess that on't happen as Beast on't ever lose his spot as he is a good black prop and Smit is a great captain. Guess we just have to hope and pray to see as few scrums as possible til after 2011.
Pienaar is a dull instrament. He looked very average at 10 against Leicester just now and even got outshone by Earl Rose. Here's hoping he never puts on a Springbok no 15 jersey. 9, maybe, 15, please no. Maybe he got screwed over by the Shraks and Springboks playing him wherever they felt they needed to stop a hole. Again, most overrated player in SA.
We gonna get raped at scrumtime; look at Guthro and Jannie. hy PdV doesn't select the best frontrow available to him is beyond me. His slection policy looks seems to be; Ja, the Sharks' scrum got a lesson from pretty much everyone and the Bulls also struggle in the scrums in the Currie cup yet they are the stronger teams in SA so lets select a weak scrum even picking the Sharks replacement prop. Castrogiovani, legend that he is, raped du Plessis. One cannot say WP Nel would have done better because he of course didn't get a chance but you have to select your best player in each position and the criteria for props should be their work in the scrum.
..and, Ja, I like dissing Sharks supporters.
We'll have to dominate the French in the line-outs or Brussou has to be working overtime to get our posession and penalties because I think the French can fancy themselves in the scrum. Here's hoping pdV gets a moment of clarity and flies in Wian du Preez and WP Nel but I guess that on't happen as Beast on't ever lose his spot as he is a good black prop and Smit is a great captain. Guess we just have to hope and pray to see as few scrums as possible til after 2011.
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erwanseb
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 5 2009, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
That's the key to undertsand Trinh Dc, he's playing for an average team Montpellier which is most of the time on the backfoot, so when he comes to play for France , he seems to find it very easy to play behind a better pack, always seems to have plenty of time.
Somehow, playing behind a dominated pack is often the best training for a flyhalf, it improves your defense, it's teaching you to play close to the line with short decision time.
I actually think that Trinh Duc is toughened up in a way that Morne Steyn is not.
That's the key to undertsand Trinh Dc, he's playing for an average team Montpellier which is most of the time on the backfoot, so when he comes to play for France , he seems to find it very easy to play behind a better pack, always seems to have plenty of time.
Somehow, playing behind a dominated pack is often the best training for a flyhalf, it improves your defense, it's teaching you to play close to the line with short decision time.
I actually think that Trinh Duc is toughened up in a way that Morne Steyn is not.
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Nickdnz
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If I was a betting man I'd go with the Springboks. The Springboks need to play the same boring, but effective rugby to win, and France need to play an amazing running game to win. Personally I think France need to play better then they have done for a while, but hey it's France, who knows who will win I guess.
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Nov 7 2009, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
+1
France will have to play absolutely flawless rugby. But hey, it happens, sometimes.
If we can maul the SA scrum it will be a good start.
+1
France will have to play absolutely flawless rugby. But hey, it happens, sometimes.
If we can maul the SA scrum it will be a good start.
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stormer2010
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Keeping the pressure on France should see us through. Just worried that a game with lots of scrums will see the pressure tranfered to the Bokke. Key ould be for Bokke to play only in France's half and that is here we need Frans Steyn or Riaan Viljoen at the; the boomboots.
In effect we should just keep kicking for the corner and no-one better than Matfield to put the line-out under pressure. Attritious, constricting and frustrating stuff but I love it.
Damn, this is going to be a long week.
In effect we should just keep kicking for the corner and no-one better than Matfield to put the line-out under pressure. Attritious, constricting and frustrating stuff but I love it.
Damn, this is going to be a long week.
