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coonor
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france played absolutely brilliant they will win the grand slam
hope we win the rest of our games, think we will
hope we win the rest of our games, think we will
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feicarsinn
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The Irish were let down by a few things:
1) Indiscipline. Fecking hell Flan. Completely changed the game's complection. Guh.
2) Midfield was terrible. Truely, truely terrible. O'Leary was ponderous while O'Gara kicked to nowhere and was once again weak in defence. Also the guys were unable to get around the blitz defence of the French.
3) A lack of continuity in everything we did. Simple errors cost us so many chances, we basically shot ourselves in the foot. Credit to the French for the immense pressure they put us under but pro rugby players should be able to catch the ball.
4) The French were superb, really really great. Well played.
1) Indiscipline. Fecking hell Flan. Completely changed the game's complection. Guh.
2) Midfield was terrible. Truely, truely terrible. O'Leary was ponderous while O'Gara kicked to nowhere and was once again weak in defence. Also the guys were unable to get around the blitz defence of the French.
3) A lack of continuity in everything we did. Simple errors cost us so many chances, we basically shot ourselves in the foot. Credit to the French for the immense pressure they put us under but pro rugby players should be able to catch the ball.
4) The French were superb, really really great. Well played.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Feb 14 2010, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Apart from those turnovers, the speed of recycling meant Ireland could never win, so TOL and the backrow are the real weakness.
The three tries were down to three turnovers: Flan trying to drop kick a fellow human being through the posts, POC failing to take a restart on our 22, Earls fluffing a quick tap under our posts. Without those, I'm sure France would have still found a way to score - but it's the little things that hurt. I can't fault ROG really. Sexton made no difference.
Apart from those turnovers, the speed of recycling meant Ireland could never win, so TOL and the backrow are the real weakness.
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munstermuffin
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Lads we were totally outplayed today no excuses!
Earls and D'Arcy were our best backs today and Cullen & Heaslip probably our best forwards.
We didn't freeze today I think French were just class.
Will be interesting to see now what happens.
Think Earls deserves to stay and Cullen deserves to stay too.
Sexton I think has to come in as ROG was bullied to easy today.
Also I think Horan may be required if fit as he can be a benefit to us.
Earls and D'Arcy were our best backs today and Cullen & Heaslip probably our best forwards.
We didn't freeze today I think French were just class.
Will be interesting to see now what happens.
Think Earls deserves to stay and Cullen deserves to stay too.
Sexton I think has to come in as ROG was bullied to easy today.
Also I think Horan may be required if fit as he can be a benefit to us.
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snoopy snoopy dog dog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iWin @ Feb 13 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
O'Gara can get by against poor opposition like Italy or Wales but he's not up to it against decent teams. I understand why he started this game (Sexton has only played twice since November) but he should have been brought off sooner. That's not to say that Sexton would have won the game for Ireland but he would have brought more spark to the backline.
O'Driscoll was at fault for what should have amounted to three French tries. Twice he broke the defensive line and France were stopped just short and once through a poor pass when it was refered to the TMO.
Flannery will get a ban for that - hopefully it's a long one. He's a dirty, **** player. Has he had more suspensions than tries throughout his career? The only good facet to his play is his lineout throwing. He carries a lot of ball but always goes sideways. He's a dreadfully poor scrummager and he's a scumbag who has rushes of blood to the head far too often. Time to put in Rory Best or Sean Cronin permanently.
Plusses include Gordon D'arcy, Jamie Heaslip, Tom Court and the set pieces.
*who'll take the bait
That's exactly what I was going to post.
O'Gara can get by against poor opposition like Italy or Wales but he's not up to it against decent teams. I understand why he started this game (Sexton has only played twice since November) but he should have been brought off sooner. That's not to say that Sexton would have won the game for Ireland but he would have brought more spark to the backline.
O'Driscoll was at fault for what should have amounted to three French tries. Twice he broke the defensive line and France were stopped just short and once through a poor pass when it was refered to the TMO.
Flannery will get a ban for that - hopefully it's a long one. He's a dirty, **** player. Has he had more suspensions than tries throughout his career? The only good facet to his play is his lineout throwing. He carries a lot of ball but always goes sideways. He's a dreadfully poor scrummager and he's a scumbag who has rushes of blood to the head far too often. Time to put in Rory Best or Sean Cronin permanently.
Plusses include Gordon D'arcy, Jamie Heaslip, Tom Court and the set pieces.
*who'll take the bait
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munstermuffin
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Agree what Flannery did was bad but he isn't a dirty player and not that many suspensions to name.
I think Healy is as bad as him.
I think Healy is as bad as him.
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Bernard
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I would not blame too much flannery , it was obvious that it was not intentional as he wanted to kick the ball .
Great match from Frenchies. very serious match. I thought that french players played really relaxly and smartly . They managed very well the strong start of the Irish , they took the good measure of the irish team and make it up till the end of the match. Now i will be realistic , nothing is done for the tournament , that is a great performance and lets hope that FR will keep the good work .
PS: i laugh a bit with the hand of Ferris in Nallet Eye Zone
Great match from Frenchies. very serious match. I thought that french players played really relaxly and smartly . They managed very well the strong start of the Irish , they took the good measure of the irish team and make it up till the end of the match. Now i will be realistic , nothing is done for the tournament , that is a great performance and lets hope that FR will keep the good work .
PS: i laugh a bit with the hand of Ferris in Nallet Eye Zone
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feicarsinn
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Feb 12 2010, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Middle ground my arse. Oh I forgot - you're public sector and haven't lost your house because someone else is paying for it. Plenty of time for that to change.
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Just saw this. We haven't lost the house because we paid the mortgage off back in 08' at the first sign of economic turbulance. Yet another generalisation from your scewed vision of the world that fails to hold a grounding in reality.
You haven't ... yet.
Middle ground my arse. Oh I forgot - you're public sector and haven't lost your house because someone else is paying for it. Plenty of time for that to change.
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Just saw this. We haven't lost the house because we paid the mortgage off back in 08' at the first sign of economic turbulance. Yet another generalisation from your scewed vision of the world that fails to hold a grounding in reality.
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snoopy snoopy dog dog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Feb 13 2010, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Flannery viciously swung a leg at a French player. The alternative to not lashing out was a penalty to Ireland. He was stupid and it was a cheap shot. Healy's sin binning wasn't for a cheap shot.
Flannery was banned for stamping a couple of years ago against Clermont Auvergne, As far as I recall he used an opponents head as a doormat (seems to be a recurring theme with Munster front rows - Flannery, Hayes and Clohessy). That dirty. He's dirty. He deserves a long ban of 6 weeks or more.
Healy is ill disciplined and gives away a lot of penalties for technical infringments. He deserved to go to the bin today but the alternative of not tugging the French player back was a near certain try for Les Bleus. He did what he had to do.
Flannery viciously swung a leg at a French player. The alternative to not lashing out was a penalty to Ireland. He was stupid and it was a cheap shot. Healy's sin binning wasn't for a cheap shot.
Flannery was banned for stamping a couple of years ago against Clermont Auvergne, As far as I recall he used an opponents head as a doormat (seems to be a recurring theme with Munster front rows - Flannery, Hayes and Clohessy). That dirty. He's dirty. He deserves a long ban of 6 weeks or more.
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snoopy snoopy dog dog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bernard @ Feb 13 2010, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
It was a very good performance. If France can improve at the lineout they'll be very hard to stop. A Grand Slam beckons.
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Olyy
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Just got back from the pub, so not read through the thread yet, but how Flannery didn't get binned/redded for the stupid fcking kick is beyond me. Hopefully he gets cited because that was disgusting. AWJ got yellowed for stretching his leg out, Flannery got nothing for taking a running boot into someones shin.
Cracking win by the French though! Well deserved!
Two positives for Ireland were D'arcy and Earls, especially D'arcy though. His break was my favorite part of the rugby so far this weekend, if not for an unlucky bounce, that would've been a fantastic try
Cracking win by the French though! Well deserved!
Two positives for Ireland were D'arcy and Earls, especially D'arcy though. His break was my favorite part of the rugby so far this weekend, if not for an unlucky bounce, that would've been a fantastic try
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munstermuffin
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bernard @ Feb 13 2010, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And again great display from French it was class act.
Agree Bernard but think French are bit more serious now after experimental time so guess it now building up momentum for WC '11I would not blame too much flannery , it was obvious that it was not intentional as he wanted to kick the ball .
Great match from Frenchies. very serious match. I thought that french players played really relaxly and smartly . They managed very well the strong start of the Irish , they took the good measure of the irish team and make it up till the end of the match. Now i will be realistic , nothing is done for the tournament , that is a great performance and lets hope that FR will keep the good work .
PS: i laugh a bit with the hand of Ferris in Nallet Eye Zone
And again great display from French it was class act.
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lucky_number_7
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France were awesome today simply tore the irish apart as they wished Harinorduquy was imperious and domonated the field ,bastarauds defence was like a brick wall nothing got past
ireland were lucky toget that try as it appeared blatantly forward, but in other instances it was poor luck and bad handling that let us down .
sexton should have been brought on around 50mins in before ireland had a new arse torn for them by harinorduquy and co.
i dont think that france will be stopped this year and i sure hope they get the gs this year they seem to have everything going for them
ireland were lucky toget that try as it appeared blatantly forward, but in other instances it was poor luck and bad handling that let us down .
sexton should have been brought on around 50mins in before ireland had a new arse torn for them by harinorduquy and co.
i dont think that france will be stopped this year and i sure hope they get the gs this year they seem to have everything going for them
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Feb 14 2010, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Middle ground my arse. Oh I forgot - you're public sector and haven't lost your house because someone else is paying for it. Plenty of time for that to change.
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Just saw this. We haven't lost the house because we paid the mortgage off back in 08' at the first sign of economic turbulance. Yet another generalisation from your scewed vision of the world that fails to hold a grounding in reality.
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**** off, leech.
You haven't ... yet.
Middle ground my arse. Oh I forgot - you're public sector and haven't lost your house because someone else is paying for it. Plenty of time for that to change.
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Just saw this. We haven't lost the house because we paid the mortgage off back in 08' at the first sign of economic turbulance. Yet another generalisation from your scewed vision of the world that fails to hold a grounding in reality.
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**** off, leech.
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feicarsinn
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Shtove I did not insult you. I told you that your constant assumtions just aren't true. You seem to have some irrational hatered of the public sector that I'd suggest you get over.
Now stop insulting me and my family or making generalisations on issues you know nothing about.
Now stop insulting me and my family or making generalisations on issues you know nothing about.
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (munstermuffin @ Feb 13 2010, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And again great display from French it was class act.
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yep I feel like Lievremont plans are beginning to be quite effective on the ground. Missing some players but sounds good since 10 games now (appart 2 harsh and big defeat against england and AB ) . There is a composure in the french game defenitly, even if you change some players ...so that is a good thing.
Trinh-duc has been amazing today and he has , i think , shutted a lot of mouth. not only on this match but since the last summer against AB , he is always up to fight , always playing a nice rugby , very regular and improving.
I think today big improvment was in the back line , it was long time i did not feel them so dangerous ...
Agree Bernard but think French are bit more serious now after experimental time so guess it now building up momentum for WC '11I would not blame too much flannery , it was obvious that it was not intentional as he wanted to kick the ball .
Great match from Frenchies. very serious match. I thought that french players played really relaxly and smartly . They managed very well the strong start of the Irish , they took the good measure of the irish team and make it up till the end of the match. Now i will be realistic , nothing is done for the tournament , that is a great performance and lets hope that FR will keep the good work .
PS: i laugh a bit with the hand of Ferris in Nallet Eye Zone
And again great display from French it was class act.
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yep I feel like Lievremont plans are beginning to be quite effective on the ground. Missing some players but sounds good since 10 games now (appart 2 harsh and big defeat against england and AB ) . There is a composure in the french game defenitly, even if you change some players ...so that is a good thing.
Trinh-duc has been amazing today and he has , i think , shutted a lot of mouth. not only on this match but since the last summer against AB , he is always up to fight , always playing a nice rugby , very regular and improving.
I think today big improvment was in the back line , it was long time i did not feel them so dangerous ...
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snoopy snoopy dog dog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bernard @ Feb 13 2010, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
Trinh-Duc's biggest critic is a clown who doesn't watch any club rugby other than highlights of Leinster and Munster games. George Hook doesn't rate Trinh-Diuc because he never sees him play and because he doesn't kick goals. For similar reasons. he doesn't rate Parra and thinks the only reason the scrumhalf is in the team is because he covers for Trinh-Duc not goal kicking. He's completely wrong.
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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Bernard
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Feb 13 2010, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people
Trinh-Duc's biggest critic is a clown who doesn't watch any club rugby other than highlights of Leinster and Munster games. George Hook doesn't rate Trinh-Diuc because he never sees him play and because he doesn't kick goals. For similar reasons. he doesn't rate Parra and thinks the only reason the scrumhalf is in the team is because he covers for Trinh-Duc not goal kicking. He's completely wrong.
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans
it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people
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snoopy snoopy dog dog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bernard @ Feb 13 2010, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people
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Who would they prefer to see at 10 to Trinh-Duc? I hope they aren't suggesting Beauxis!
Trinh-Duc's biggest critic is a clown who doesn't watch any club rugby other than highlights of Leinster and Munster games. George Hook doesn't rate Trinh-Diuc because he never sees him play and because he doesn't kick goals. For similar reasons. he doesn't rate Parra and thinks the only reason the scrumhalf is in the team is because he covers for Trinh-Duc not goal kicking. He's completely wrong.
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans
it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people [/b][/quote]
Who would they prefer to see at 10 to Trinh-Duc? I hope they aren't suggesting Beauxis!
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elgringoborracho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (snoopy snoopy dog dog @ Feb 13 2010, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people
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Who would they prefer to see at 10 to Trinh-Duc? I hope they aren't suggesting Beauxis!
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I'm afraid they are
Trinh-Duc's biggest critic is a clown who doesn't watch any club rugby other than highlights of Leinster and Munster games. George Hook doesn't rate Trinh-Diuc because he never sees him play and because he doesn't kick goals. For similar reasons. he doesn't rate Parra and thinks the only reason the scrumhalf is in the team is because he covers for Trinh-Duc not goal kicking. He's completely wrong.
Hook is an idiot who's more interested in soundbites than in reasoned analysis. Don't pay any attention to him. He was a failed coach with Connacht, a failed coach with London Irish and is a subpar analyst who relies on making controversial statements (usually inaccurate) to stay employed with RTE Sport.
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I was not talking about Hook (even if it is true that he has always told his scepticism with Trinh duc on RTE..) but more about French Fans
it is understandable that if you do not watch a player , it is more difficult to have an objective opinion . But even in FR , a lots of people think that TD is just a fad of Lievremont , that he is not the fly half that Fr needs. So today he said hello to all these people [/b][/quote]
Who would they prefer to see at 10 to Trinh-Duc? I hope they aren't suggesting Beauxis!
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I'm afraid they are
