FAO: Sharks Supporters

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Ross Skeate joined the Sharks from France, Mtawarira only got a chance in Durban and Smit joined the Sharks after he was not offered a contract at the Bulls and Lions when he was 18. Rory Kockott (NOT KOCKETT!!!) is back with the Lions and NOT in our current squad, BJ Botha was born in Durban, went to high school in Durban, Waylon Murray was also born in Durban, Barritt, same damn thing!

That's 3 players born in Durban, 3 moving there because they did not get a chance elsewhere. So, what's your point?

It's true that the Sharks have a bunch of players born and raised outside Natal but every franchise has that.

 

[TNT88]

Are you going to seriosly say that Deysel, Daniels, Alberts and Kanko, KANKO, are great loose forwards?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

All i was saying is that discussing these ideas with you seems pointless, because what you have done is built up a criteria for "great loose forwards", that you can change at any moment. So when people do find players that meet your requirements, you just change the requirements.

Btw, what is the story with your username?

 

[Please-Buy-Baywatch]

Ok so we are in agreement then that Natal has not produced one great loose forward? Gotcha, I said the same thing when I said loose forward go there to die.

That's 3 players born in Durban, 3 moving there because they did not get a chance elsewhere. So, what's your point?

CONTEXT

All of them sent packing due to poor player management. You raid other unions for players, you coach them into the ground, and you send them packing.

CONTEXT

No great loose forwards? Yes I know
Player Raids? YES WE KNOW
Mass exodus of players? ALMOST EVERY YEAR

Result? SOUTH AFRICAN RUGBY SUFFERS

 

[JJR]

Ey Bra, you have your opinion...you a bitter guy; Shame. Your argument is leaking all over the place...your understanding of producing a player is very unusual i must say.

 

[ingwe]

yes i agree with my brutha jjr here. beast was ****n amazing and only left because hes a zimbabwean following the money. its sad but thats just how they are. the sharks dont need any one playa to be fantastic. as a TEAM they are awesome and produce great moves. yes its been a slow season so far but its early days. beast was amazing and we miss him but well keep on!!!

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Botha and Barritt left because they were searching for a new challenge. If it was due to poor management, they would have moved to the Bulls or Stormers. Murray at the time was not consistent enough to be considered a weekly starter and chose to move to the Lions to get more game-time.

 

[Please-Buy-Baywatch]

Botha and Barritt left because they were searching for a new challenge. If it was due to poor management, they would have moved to the Bulls or Stormers. Murray at the time was not consistent enough to be considered a weekly starter and chose to move to the Lions to get more game-time.

No, and what a short memory you have. You guys are delusional and this is why Sharks fans have the reputations they do.

Barrit left because

1) Frans Steyn was moved to the centre to accommodate Terreblanche at fullback, putting both Strauss and Barrit on the sidelines
2) YOU IMPORTED MICHELAK AND THEN Hernandez at flyhalf!!!!!!!

He could not get a game because you insisted on playing an old man at 15, when Steyn should have been groomed into the position, and you imported two international players into a position Barrit could have played. THATS WHY HE LEFT. He left because he was managed poorly and ignored while you imported players trying to win your first currie cup in a decade!

The result? WE LOST HIM TO ENGLAND. Strauss in his first full season had you clowns demanding his inclusion in the bok squad.

Waylon Murray? He had one average season and was sold down the river after his first injury. He could not get a game, after he managed to play himself into a springbok jersey. When he was injured, news had spread that the Sharks had made offers to Fourie and were pushing Corne Uys to come over.

Bitter? Im bitter about the fact that your precious union and its precious fans and supporter base think it more important than the Springboks. You guys are a cancer with the union raids and poor player management.

The Sharks are parasites. They contribute nothing to the game to South African rugby, all they do is take.

 

[JJR]

Dude i Love my Country and that is why i don't mind The Bulls smashing The Sharks last weekend...Cos, players like Matfield, Botha, Roussouw, Du Preez and Steyn are very important to our world Cup Campaign. I dunno how you can accuse The Sharks as not giving anything to SA Rugby...we have one of the Best International Capatains in History. Sharks developed Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn, Butch James...etc. they have been very important to Boks success over the years. You have ur Opinion; but i really don't get how the Sharks don't give anything back to SA Rugby. At one Stage the whole Sharks backline were Boks. 9.Pienaar 10.James 11.JPP 12.Steyn 13.Jacobs 14.Ndungane 15.Montgomery. 3 of those Guys were key to World Cup Success in 07'.

 

[lucky number 7]

No, and what a short memory you have. You guys are delusional and this is why Sharks fans have the reputations they do.

Barrit left because

1) Frans Steyn was moved to the centre to accommodate Terreblanche at fullback, putting both Strauss and Barrit on the sidelines
2) YOU IMPORTED MICHELAK AND THEN Hernandez at flyhalf!!!!!!!

He could not get a game because you insisted on playing an old man at 15, when Steyn should have been groomed into the position, and you imported two international players into a position Barrit could have played. THATS WHY HE LEFT. He left because he was managed poorly and ignored while you imported players trying to win your first currie cup in a decade!

The result? WE LOST HIM TO ENGLAND. Strauss in his first full season had you clowns demanding his inclusion in the bok squad.

Waylon Murray? He had one average season and was sold down the river after his first injury. He could not get a game, after he managed to play himself into a springbok jersey. When he was injured, news had spread that the Sharks had made offers to Fourie and were pushing Corne Uys to come over.

Bitter? Im bitter about the fact that your precious union and its precious fans and supporter base think it more important than the Springboks. You guys are a cancer with the union raids and poor player management.

The Sharks are parasites. They contribute nothing to the game to South African rugby, all they do is take.

You do strike me as very very bitter and angry..
The sharks play the most attractive rugby in SA without a shadow of a doubt Every club and union trade and do deals with others to target one over another is idiocy on your behalf where you see how many the bulls have helped themselves to.

Why the hatred ? why the utter Wumming. your argument is like a sibh its leaking that much , and your criteria for what constitutes a great back row changes to suit the points you want to prove..

Nobody agrees or even acknowledges what you say as remote truth
Jog on.

 

[Please-Buy-Baywatch]

Lucky Number 7. You are a Pom, and as a result benefit from it. Half the players from the Sharks (who came from other unions) end up in the UK. I dont care if the Sharks played the best rugby in the world, they are not more important than the Springboks. The Boks come first, and the Sharks a distant second.

9.Pienaar 10.James 11.JPP 12.Steyn 13.Jacobs 14.Ndungane 15.Montgomery. 3 of those Guys were key to World Cup Success in 07'.

You booed Steyn all the way to France.
Adi Jacobs is a QUOTA and should never have been selected in the first place. He is garbage.
Montgomery is from bloody Cape Town.

Pienaar? A young guy you ripped from the Free State. Thanks for developing him into...well...somoene who never realised his potential as a player.

The only players you deserve any credit for are Butch James and JPP, who despite being from the Cape, the Sharks stuck with and developed. I actually have no problem with younger players going to the Sharks and seeing the Sharks develop them. Good luck to the Deysels and the McLoeds. What I have a problem with is the attempts to poach players like Brussouw or Bosman, who are being used to fill holes YOU CREATED with poor player management. Trying to poach players like Mapoe, when you have a depth of talent at home on the wing!!! I have a problem with the Sharks importing guys like Michelak while Barrit and Strauss sit on the sidelines. I have problems with the Sharks playing Steyn out of position so that Terreblanche could eek another season out.

You dont get the reason for my anger do you? I dont hate the Sharks for no reason. I hate the Sharks because of what they cost us and they are without the doubt the most guilty union of this. FFS, this crap about being bitter? Since when is critical thinking and complaint bitterness? Is anything I have said not factual?

The Sharks have a lot to answer for and its absolute bullshit that people here seem to think that their actions have been acceptable or beneficial to South African rugby. Let go of the blindness and bias and see it for what it is man. There are a lot of good points raised by the OP.

 

[lucky number 7]

You use an awful lot of dramatic language such as "ripped" or "poached" for any incoming transfers to the sharks while downplaying any other moves or even refusing to comment on them.

Plenty of what you said is not factual and completely based on your own interpretation.

Bitter Bitter Bitter

P.s ..A Pom ? Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom...A paddy would have been a more effective "insult" despite my finding it quite affectionate (queue a dig on Independence)

 

[Please-Buy-Baywatch]

Bitter? Bitter about what? That would imply I am angry due to ENVY.

What would I be envious of the Sharks for? I could understand envy for The Bulls/Northern Transvaal or Western Province/Stormers.

But the Sharks? SHARKS?

HAHAHAHAHA

Stick to Irish rugby, a league our players semi retire to when they are tired of playing real rugby.

Players left for the reasons stated above. Those reasons stated above are due to poor player management. WHat makes that inexcusable is that it comes off the back of union raids, not local player development. I have a problem with that, most South Africans have a problem with that, and any Springbok supporter should have a problem with that. I know club rugby means a lot more to you guys considering the poor record your national side has and the European preference for club over country, but we do things a little differently where the sun shines most days.

Just because you catch the odd highlights package please dont begin to assume you know more about South African rugby than the locals do. Im not about to start lecturing you on the attempts you guys make to play the game.

 

[nickdnz]

Bitter? Bitter about what? That would imply I am angry due to ENVY.

What would I be envious of the Sharks for? I could understand envy for The Bulls/Northern Transvaal or Western Province/Stormers.

But the Sharks? SHARKS?

HAHAHAHAHA

Stick to Irish rugby, a league our players semi retire to when they are tired of playing real rugby.

Players left for the reasons stated above. Those reasons stated above are due to poor player management. WHat makes that inexcusable is that it comes off the back of union raids, not local player development. I have a problem with that, most South Africans have a problem with that, and any Springbok supporter should have a problem with that. I know club rugby means a lot more to you guys considering the poor record your national side has and the European preference for club over country, but we do things a little differently where the sun shines most days.

Just because you catch the odd highlights package please dont begin to assume you know more about South African rugby than the locals do. Im not about to start lecturing you on the attempts you guys make to play the game.

Can we not go there...

 

[lucky number 7]

Bitter? Bitter about what? That would imply I am angry due to ENVY.

What would I be envious of the Sharks for? I could understand envy for The Bulls/Northern Transvaal or Western Province/Stormers.

But the Sharks? SHARKS?

HAHAHAHAHA

Stick to Irish rugby, a league our players semi retire to when they are tired of playing real rugby.

Players left for the reasons stated above. Those reasons stated above are due to poor player management. WHat makes that inexcusable is that it comes off the back of union raids, not local player development. I have a problem with that, most South Africans have a problem with that, and any Springbok supporter should have a problem with that. I know club rugby means a lot more to you guys considering the poor record your national side has and the European preference for club over country, but we do things a little differently where the sun shines most days.

Just because you catch the odd highlights package please dont begin to assume you know more about South African rugby than the locals do. Im not about to start lecturing you on the attempts you guys make to play the game.

I count 2 SA players making first team appearances in Ireland....

What do you mean locals...nobody from SA here agrees with you...you sir are the lonesome soldier fighting the fight bravely from your underground lair.

Look I can't be arsed getting into another mud slinging fest. But what I will say is that I ate posters like yourself who talk pure unfounded tripe and use deflectionist arguments...best of luck changing the world mate

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Bitter? Bitter about what? That would imply I am angry due to ENVY.

What would I be envious of the Sharks for? I could understand envy for The Bulls/Northern Transvaal or Western Province/Stormers.

But the Sharks? SHARKS?

HAHAHAHAHA

Stick to Irish rugby, a league our players semi retire to when they are tired of playing real rugby.

Players left for the reasons stated above. Those reasons stated above are due to poor player management. WHat makes that inexcusable is that it comes off the back of union raids, not local player development. I have a problem with that, most South Africans have a problem with that, and any Springbok supporter should have a problem with that. I know club rugby means a lot more to you guys considering the poor record your national side has and the European preference for club over country, but we do things a little differently where the sun shines most days.

Just because you catch the odd highlights package please dont begin to assume you know more about South African rugby than the locals do. Im not about to start lecturing you on the attempts you guys make to play the game.

Hey you. Sky Sports broadcasts all Super Rugby matches nowadays and even without that, it's easy to watch matches of the Super15 and Currie Cup without having to live in South Africa.

I live in Holland but I watch Currie Cup, Super15, Tri Nations, even Vodacom Cup matches. Don't bring out the 'locals know better' card because it's ridiculous. And don't start about me being from Holland and therefore not knowing anything about rugby. I played at test level, despite it not being a top country, but still I think I know what qualifies as good rugby and the Sharks play a very good brand of rugby. Just because we haven't won the Super14 in the past, doesn't mean we are ****. We did reach the final 3 times.

 

[Banana Surfer]

The SHARKS is the best team in the country. We contribute so much to Bok rugby its ridiculous. We take the players from small unions aand win with them. Especially the afrikaans players cos not too many afrikaans is born here in Natal. They are needed to win properly. Ruan, Bosman and the Du Plessis broers from Vrystaat. Deysel, Willem and Ludik from Transvaal. Smit is from Pretoria/Rustenburg and so forth and so forth. We get them all together and win. IS JP from Durban? It looks like he should be from the Cape haha, but all his teeth are still there so maybe he is Durban.

 

[JJR]

I have always thought Sharks as a true representation of the RAINBOW nation...we have Afrikaaners, Xhosa's, Zulu's, English guys, guys from the Cape, Zimbabwe, Kenya, etc. The Sharks bring all the diversity and bring it together to create a Successful Team that has one of the most widely spread fan bases in World Rugby. Everyone buys players; but i don't get people saying that The Sharks don't produce or Develop players. Sharks have The most succesful Rugby academy in the World according to the amount of Professional rugby players the Academy has produced in a Fairly short period. Also many Sharks players have come through The Club rugby system in Durbs...great Clubs like Collegians and SA Club Rugby Champs College Rovers. There is also the Zululand Academy and The Academy in Pietermaritzburg that feed young players into The Sharks academy and into the Club System...most of the players don't end up playing for The Sharks; but do become professional rugby players overseas or at other provinces.

 

[nickdnz]

Hey you. Sky Sports broadcasts all Super Rugby matches nowadays and even without that, it's easy to watch matches of the Super15 and Currie Cup without having to live in South Africa.

I live in Holland but I watch Currie Cup, Super15, Tri Nations, even Vodacom Cup matches. Don't bring out the 'locals know better' card because it's ridiculous. And don't start about me being from Holland and therefore not knowing anything about rugby. I played at test level, despite it not being a top country, but still I think I know what qualifies as good rugby and the Sharks play a very good brand of rugby. Just because we haven't won the Super14 in the past, doesn't mean we are ****. We did reach the final 3 times.

Wow, I didn't know that. I'm impressed.

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Despite it only being 1 match, I am damn proud of achieving it

 

[nickdnz]

Despite it only being 1 match, I am damn proud of achieving it

I sure would be. In honesty, I think I'd have dropped it in at least every second post if I was you. I'd have been banned for boasting.