England vs Wales - 12/08/23

[Gavin]

 

[BrokenWing]

Amusing that the panel that overturned the red card were all Australian. Almost as if they wanted Farrell to be in the England team.

Eddie really has been playing the long game all these years.

 

[BrokenWing]

Apparently, they've taken the new camera angle into account and decided Farrell shouldn't have been red carded, adjusted the predicted outcome accordingly and given Wales a retrospective victory.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

"So Bill, as Chair of World Rugby, could you please explain your disciplinary panel's decision?"

"Yes, of course, but before I do, please let me clarify a couple of points:

1. I am definitely not a fellow Lancastrian, born 10 miles down the road from Owen Farrell.

2. I have never been an England captain, Grand Slammer and multiple Lion like Owen Farrell.

3. My son has certainly never been in senior England squads with Owen Farrell.

Now, your point is…..".

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Apparently, they've taken the new camera angle into account and decided Farrell shouldn't have been red carded, adjusted the predicted outcome accordingly and given Wales a retrospective victory.

That's fine as long as it's not 30 - 3.

7 of our RWC squad were involved in that debacle 10 years ago. Almost certainly 8 had Mako been fit.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I like how the English get the blame when it was an all Aussie panel
The Aussie's, famously, love the England rugby team and would do anything to help them out, I guess

 

[AlRums]

Utterly farcical decision by the disciplinary panel.

Australian *****

 

[AlRums]

That has to be the most insane decision I've ever heard from a disciplinary panel.

Makes a complete mockery of them and whole bunker system first time it's used.

Second time, Zander previous week

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

it's crazy that January was only the first time he went to tackle school. His firm has been awful for years. This one is a textbook copy from his hits from autumn all those years ago.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

it's crazy that January was only the first time he went to tackle school. His firm has been awful for years. This one is a textbook copy from his hits from autumn all those years ago.

I think it was only brought in this season, maybe last?

 

[AlRums]

Dont understand the mitigation.
There maybe a change of direction, but there was no change in height, so in fact if he hadnt of changed direction the tackle would have still been head height, but even more dominant.

If Steward got banned for a tackle where he was obviously defending himself and the player was falling, then this is far more serious.

There is definitely something wrong with OF and his attitude.
When he is relaxed he plays far more fluidly, when he tries to be aggressive he cannot control anything.

Steward was not "defending himself", he turned and lined Adams up. This was also a clear red.

These pics clearly don't show "defending from a falling player", rather a distinct tackle in the air, couldn't be clearer

 

[Reiser99]

Steward was not "defending himself", he turned and lined Adams up. This was also a clear red.

These pics clearly don't show "defending from a falling player", rather a distinct tackle in the air, couldn't be clearer

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He meant in 6N's when Steward got a red for turning and not tackling.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

This was also a clear red.

If you don't know the laws, sure

Like the tackler, who is responsible for the safety of the tackled player, the chasing player is responsible for the safety of the player in the air.

For any illegal action, like for a tip tackle, it is the way in which the player falls and the part of the body that the player falls on which is relevant. If a player lands on his head/neck, it should be a red card.

 

[Smurfy]

I think he's referring to his red card against Ireland. And Steward wasn't banned, the offence was reduced to a yellow card. And he wasn't defending himself and Keenan wasn't falling. Outside of that your point is valid.

I suppose thought that his offence last week shows some progress. At least he attempted a tackle this time.

 

[AlRums]

If you don't know the laws, sure

He did land on his head/neck

 

[AlRums]

He meant in 6N's when Steward got a red for turning and not tackling.

I think he's referring to his red card against Ireland. And Steward wasn't banned, the offence was reduced to a yellow card. And he wasn't defending himself and Keenan wasn't falling. Outside of that your point is valid.

I suppose thought that his offence last week shows some progress. At least he attempted a tackle this time.

Misunderstood, just happens there was a contentious "got away with it" in this match

 

[ShropshireAllBlack]

Australian *****

It was a 6N/WR appointment. Irrespective of their nationality ( unless it was an exclusively English/Welsh panel), the fault lies with the appointing body. Never have I seen a red card that had less debate than this one. Nobody disputed the decision, the only discussion until lunchtime today was about the length of the ban….

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

It was a 6N/WR appointment. Irrespective of their nationality ( unless it was an exclusively English/Welsh panel), the fault lies with the appointing body. Never have I seen a red card that had less debate than this one. Nobody disputed the decision, the only discussion until lunchtime today was about the length of the ban….

…..and why the ref felt the need to refer it in the first place.

It all seemed blatant to viewers. In real time the ref was about 15m away but looking directly at the action. The touch judge was about 5 yards away again looking directly at the action. The ref even said it was clear foul play.

But with the fall back of the bunker, I guess this will become the default option.

 

[Jimbo]

He did land on his head/neck

All the angles I sore were on side initial contact and impact (his head did look to get a bit of whiplash though), I personally wouldn't object to a red or yellow for Steward there, but it wasn't a clear cut red, based on similar instances 7 - 8 out of 10 that's probably a yellow (going by similar), no point in us getting into a heated debate on this we will have our views, I will say Steward has found himself in a few situations recently and does need to be a bit more aware this could have been significantly worse and all concerned should be happy it wasn't, I do have a question for you though, how if to your mind the head/neck contact was so obvious was Adams allowed to play on without a HIA? Surely any doubt the medics shouldn't take risks, friendly or not shouldn't have an influence but human nature being what it is probably would make them less likely to pull him off in a meaningful game, this was only a friendly.

 

[AlRums]

…..and why the ref felt the need to refer it in the first place.

It all seemed blatant to viewers. In real time the ref was about 15m away but looking directly at the action. The touch judge was about 5 yards away again looking directly at the action. The ref even said it was clear foul play.

But with the fall back of the bunker, I guess this will become the default option.

That's passing the buck so the on field officials dodge any bullets