England vs Wales - 12/08/23

[Ronaway67]

That was painful to watch

Pain is more enjoyable than watching that.

 

[EdBirch]

Mitchell I'm sorry is a massive big game choker

So would you say Spencer or Quirke?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

9. Mitchell (assuming JVP out)
10. Ford
11. Arundell
12. Manu
13. Daly
14. Waton
15. Steward

Realistically that's the best we can likely put out imo but would rather bring in a few others from outside the squad

Can't play Arundell after today, surely
Only thing he did all game was get elbowed in the face competing for the high ball and give away a very poor yellow card

Then again Malins/Daly don't fill me with confidence - maybe start Marchant on the wing?

Quirke

Quirke really should not be in the conversation at all, he's had maybe 2 or 3 good games this season

 

[Booboobang]

Mitchell I'm sorry is a massive big game choker

Very positive to assume england are getting to the big games for him to choke.

 

[Protalus rampart]

Can't play Arundell after today, surely
Only thing he did all game was get elbowed in the face competing for the high ball and give away a very poor yellow card

Then again Malins/Daly don't fill me with confidence - maybe start Marchant on the wing?


Quirke really should not be in the conversation at all, he's had maybe 2 or 3 good games this season

I completely get where you're coming from. The fundamental issue is the 33 is just not good enough though

 

[Booboobang]

So would you say Spencer or Quirke?

For this team it would have to be spencer or gus warr.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

England vs Wales - Match Statistics - International Test Match 2023 - 11 Aug, 2023 - ESPN

Get a summary of the England vs Wales, International Test Match 2023 11 Aug, 2023 rugby match.

www.espn.co.uk

According to the stats Wales conceded 8 penalties to England's 11 and had 2 players carded to England's 1

Bizarre

They're wrong.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I completely get where you're coming from. The fundamental issue is the 33 is just not good enough though

Yeah, very valid point

Said it last week: These performances should be prompting additional callups,
Yet here we are, stuck with our choices

 

[Booboobang]

Can't play Arundell after today, surely
Only thing he did all game was get elbowed in the face competing for the high ball and give away a very poor yellow card

Then again Malins/Daly don't fill me with confidence - maybe start Marchant on the wing?


Quirke really should not be in the conversation at all, he's had maybe 2 or 3 good games this season

With people suggesting quirke so much I just assume people dont watch sale much. Warr been excelent and benched quirke. Quirke not kicked on at all.

 

[Ronaway67]

Can't play Arundell after today, surely
Only thing he did all game was get elbowed in the face competing for the high ball and give away a very poor yellow card

Then again Malins/Daly don't fill me with confidence - maybe start Marchant on the wing?


Quirke really should not be in the conversation at all, he's had maybe 2 or 3 good games this season

Did Arundell get any service?. A prime Lomu would struggle in this England team.

 

[Jimbo]

I can't explain it or prove it, but does anyone get the hunch this England team doesn't wanna play with Owen Farrell as captain? Just something doesn't sit right for me- it's as if they've suddenly releases the shackles since he went off the field.

I wonder if he's a captain that's instilling fear rather than belief?

As I say, purely a hunch from watching. Completely open to critique on this one!

You could have a point

Had more bad than good imo

think that's harsh in a game where few were particularly good outside of a poor kick or two I didn't note much negative and he didn't do badly ball in hand.

 

[BrokenWing]

"Wales turned it into an arm wrestle"

That's not an excuse, a better team wouldn't bother, they'd just annihilate you.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Mitchell I'm sorry is a massive big game choker

As opposed to the rest of the team, who are choking when presented with a 2nd string side in a friendly?

 

[BPM]

I'm struggling to feel any more than depressed. I'm certainly not going to celebrate a laboured win against a Welsh second string side.

That said, Farrell getting a ban is probably a blessing.

 

[AlRums]

Pain is more enjoyable than watching that.

That's almost the definition of the Agony and the Ecstasy

 

[BrokenWing]

Agony and the slightly less agonising moderately depressing.

 

[LIONSxv]

No, the one Borthwick captained was worse

It would appear he wants this side to regress to that level

 

[Jimbo]

I'm just looking at that French squad line up think how glad I am it wasn't them England lined up against they'd have put a cricket score on in the first half and decided not to bother risking injury coming out the second.

 

[Geordie]

Can't play Arundell after today, surely
Only thing he did all game was get elbowed in the face competing for the high ball and give away a very poor yellow card

I know it's a world Cup....you dont mess about but in this squad we have a host of youngsters who are the future as opposed to a few old guys who are on the wane.

We may be forced to actually just give the kids the exposure this wc to start rebuilding for the next 6n etc.

Arundell was OK. His defence looks solid, and we know he can attack. He just needs games now.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I know it's a world Cup....you dont mess about but in this squad we have a host of youngsters who are the future as opposed to a few old guys who are on the wane.

We may be forced to actually just give the kids the exposure this wc to start rebuilding for the next 6n etc.

Ah, I don't think Arundell is the future though tbh
I'm not on the hype train yet