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That's the last time I want to see Tindall in an England shirt, he simply doesn't have the pace or nauce to attack effectively. I liked Hape at 12, he had a really solid game, should have been a penalty try. Fourie looked good as well, Delon looked **** poor. Time to replace Cueto as well, didn't do much wrong, but nothing particularly well. Surprised by Sheridan, thought he'd screw up but played pretty well. I think Moody was an obstacle to our success as well, so many stupid penalties and doesn't have the ball in hand game that Fourie/any other England flanker does. I really want to see Steffon Armitage playing 7, such a quality player and adds so much in attack.

Overall though a really valiant effort from England, losing to the ABs by 10 isn't shameful at all.
 
sloppy second half, dunno what was up with the scrums, it really cost us. Good effort by England, blown away in a brilliant first 30 though and to come back from there they needed to score tries. That they didn't score with all that territory and possession with NZ a man down shows that really they were never in it. I was nervous for a bit though, decent centre and it may have been different. Tindall was horrible, WC winners medal and all.
 
Aye, class game by Gear.
Not bad for a debut for Sonny-Bill, didn't shine, but did well on the build up to Gears try, but a few missed tackles, and that deer-caught-in-the-headlights moment in the ABs 22 when Cueto snared him, but not bad all told. Don't expect him to start the next match though, Conrad Smith should be back.

Think England kinda deserved a try at the end there, but hey ho :p
I'm proud of England there. New Zealand are the best side in the world, and to hold up that well, i'm happy with that. As said above, we didn't switch on for the first 30. Reads try could've been stopped easily (Carters 30m or so run was due to shocking midfield defence, he just waltzed through without a care in the world)
Dominance in the scrum (fading out a little towards the end: Afoa was much better than whoever he replaced), lineout wasn't too great, but they played running attacking rugby, which was great.
Don't think Tindall should be there next week, Hape was alright today (best i've seen him play anyhow) - Cueto was solid but not amazing, as usual, Ashton was hungry for the ball, as was Foden and they both made ground when they got it
Think Fourie was much better than Moody, but Moody had a decent game. Croft was solid, Easter had a massive last 20, and a decent first 60mins, Lawes was quality, hitting rucks with so much intensity, and very strong ball in hand.
Coles was world class again, Hartley was class in the loose (stupid cheapshot on McCaw aside) and about what I expected in the lineout, think he should take Thompsons place tbh (both had 1 dodgy lineout, and the scrum didn't weaken when Hartley came on) - Armitage was stupid with his high tackle, but apart from that was alright,
Palmer decent in the lineout, but didn't really see him elsewhere, Attwood i didn't really notice at all tbh. Sheridan was better than I expected, strong running, hit the rucks hard, and did well in the scrum.

I wanted England to be within 10 for this match, wish they'd have gotten a try (or at least 3pts) at the end, but 10pts is what I wanted so that's alright.
Feeling a lot more confident for the other matches this test series now. Obviously they're not going to be walkovers, but if England can play with the same intensity then they've a good shot.
 
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Wasn't it telling that Stephen "indispensable match-winner" Donald, wasn't used? Meanwhile Colin Slade scores a vital try in the final of the ITM Cup.

What does Stephen Donald know about Graham Henry's after-match activities that keep him in the team. lol?
 
I felt there was some questionable decision making by England, but it could've been worse. Victories against Oz and SA now seem reasonable expectations.
 
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The SBW incident in the 22 was a bit hard on him as he was put under all sorts of pressure by his inside men. He definitely looked like a player on debut, a couple of good moments, especially the offload in the lead up to Gear's try (who was superb in the first half), but overall reasonably quiet.

I'm happy with the win, England played some good rugby, although the Hartley try shouldn't have been given on two counts. Easter was immense in the latter stages as well.
 
England stuffed that up. Two tries butchered out wide - first half, forwards clogged midfield when the ABs had no cover on right wing + second half Ashton failed to draw defender and put the man outside away on left wing (reasonable argument for penalty try). And silly penalties.

The ABs started out as if they were going to embarass England, but in the end they looked confused trying to defend. Their midfield attack is weird: brilliant, then clueless.
 
i thought andy ellis and rokocoko played well, ellis didn't really do too much wrong and was pretty solid with his delivery. rokocoko made a couple mistakes at the end, i think he knocked one ball on and threw one bad pass, but so did the other players like carter, rokocoko did a lot of good work before those mistakes. gear played well too. sbw started the game well with the offload that led to the try, but after that i think he showed his inexperience with some of the mistakes, but still played decent for his debut in such a pressure game
i thought the england try was a double movement but i also thought hosea gears try wasn't a try either, i thought he was out.

there were some harsh calls against the ab's at the scrums, but i was proud to see the 7 man ab scrum hold their own against the 8 man england scrum, from the camera replays i was glad i was listening to nz commentary and not english commentary lol
 
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Easter was absolutely massive, as he was against Australia in the summer, a true leader for England. Disappointed not to get closer, and felt we could've snatched a draw in the last 10. Cole, Sheridan and Wilson were fantastic in the front row, and Hartley did brilliantly when he came on (aside from the stupid and characteristic shoulder charge). Youngs, Ashton and Foden fantastic; Flood was good.

Really feel that only one of Hape, Tindall and Cueto should be starting for England now, and i really think Cueto should go for sure, not to bothered about which one of the centres. Would like to see Waldouck or Allen come in, maybe chuck Armitage on the wing for South Africa and Samoa.

Good effort, pity about the result.
 
I didn't see the game but I'm delighted for Hendre Fourie winning his first cap. He must feel like a very proud Englishman today.
 
Pretty good game too bad the ABs didn't seem to learn a huge amount from last week. First 35 was fairly clinical but then came the sloppy mistakes. Scrums were a bit of a joke I thought we had the dominant scrum however the ref didn't see it that way which is what matters. Suprising to see England actually play, or try too, just not clinical enough and bombed a couple of oppotunities. Score still flattered them and it takes an offside player, taking a player out and a double movement to score a try, right in front of the ref too. Calls like that have cost us games before but anywho a win is a win. ABs missing Weepu and Smith, but a good first outing from Williams all things considered. I think England will be happy with that performance and the ABs just happy to win, me for one am a bit disappointed in our tactics and performance.
 
England's try was an absolute crock of ****. There were so many things wrong there that its hard to know where to begin.

1. Chris Ashton offside, well ahead of the kick through.

2. Sonny Bill Williams blatantly taken out on the chase back. What was the AR looking at?

3. The try scorer advancing his position. He's allowed to reach out and score, he is NOT allowed to attempt to advance himself closer to the goal-line before doing so.

What the hell were the referee and AR's doing, contemplating their collective navels?

Also, the yellow card given to Kaino was totally unjustified. Kaino came from behind the tackle and got his hands on the ball, and then was pushed around 90° by two England players who end up off their feet and sealing off the ball. The tackled player did NOT release the ball when Kaino had his hands on it. Kaino was penalised for side entry, but clearly he entered from directly behind the tackled player. He does NOT have to stop playing the ball because he gets turned sideways. Nothing in the Law says that. It should have been a penalty to New Zealand, not to England.
 
England's try was an absolute crock of ****. There were so many things wrong there that its hard to know where to begin.

1. Chris Ashton offside, well ahead of the kick through.

2. Sonny Bill Williams blatantly taken out on the chase back. What was the AR looking at?

3. The try scorer advancing his position. He's allowed to reach out and score, he is NOT allowed to attempt to advance himself closer to the goal-line before doing so.

What the hell were the referee and AR's doing, contemplating their collective navels?

Also, the yellow card given to Kaino was totally unjustified. Kaino came from behind the tackle and got his hands on the ball, and then was pushed around 90° by two England players who end up off their feet and sealing off the ball. The tackled player did NOT release the ball when Kaino had his hands on it. Kaino was penalised for side entry, but clearly he entered from directly behind the tackled player. He does NOT have to stop playing the ball because he gets turned sideways. Nothing in the Law says that. It should have been a penalty to New Zealand, not to England.

Was it what, such a bad call to even go upstairs. The double movement happened right in front of the ref who was in a really good position, amatuer. Kainos was a bad call too we didn't seem to have the rub of the green with the ref but overall I thought he did alright bar the guessing game when it came to the scrums.
 
Messy game from New Zealand, should have done better to be honest, and there is one good reason why New Zealand didn't, and he has 91 caps. I don't dislike Mils, but lately he's been playing stupid rugby. If he's not either taking the tackle himself, he'll kick it. There were several occasions when New Zealand had a good overlap, or at least plenty of counter attacking space, for both Rokocoko and Gear, but he always chose to kick, which didn't rarely pay off.

Fair play to England for their try, but talk about a bad call by the ref. Players off side, Sonny Bill Williams taken out, and to top it off, a double movement! Still, it's the most enterprising rugby England has played in a long time, and I think if they can keep developing it, they stand a good chance to contest in the RWC. I think Mike Tindall really should be put out to pasture, he wasn't creative enough or quick enough, to really challenge the All Black defence. Youngs looked pretty good, but the All Blacks had them pretty well covered. With out sounding like a poor sport, I think England would have been lucky to hold onto a 10point margin, had the All Blacks continued firing but Youngs, Flood, Hape, Ashton and Foden could become have a big future.

In the English forwards, I was impressed with Coles, Lawes and Easter. Thompson offered very little, except to the scrum. Sheridan had a few really poor moments ball in hand, but packed a solid scrum. Dylan Hartley played dirty to be honest, really wasn't impressed, neither was Brad Thorn. Palmer was average. Tom Croft looked pretty good, but nothing special. Certainly England didn't get the domination in the set piece they were after, but they looked pretty solid.

The All Blacks forwards were consistant with their form. Woodcock packed a strong scrum, but not his best test. Kevin Mealamu once again showed his great work rate, and also made a few crucial tackles on defence. Owen Franks was a beast, tackled like a monster and I think got the better of Sheridan. Thorn was once again very good, plus he put Hartly on his arse. I think Sam Whitelock has pushed for a regular starting spot in the All Blacks, great line out work, and was like a crane in the rucks, the way he went over the ball while on his feet. Kaino was good untill the 71st minute, thought he was unfairly penalised a few times, considering the number of times England went off their feet in the break down. McCaw had a fairly quiet game by his standards, but still good. Wish McCaw wouldn't take the ball to the line so much though, because there are better ball runners often outside him, and frankly he's much more of an asset contesting the rucks. The man who I thought was average in 2009, once again showed why he is one of the best number eights in the world, Kieren Read was very good.

Alby Mathewson had a very good starting debut, quick passes, kept the defence around the fringes honest with great runs and good choice of tap and goes. Andy Ellis came on, and looked terrible. He's got slow delivery, poor handling, isn't very quick and not great decision making. He should be dropped like a bad habbit. Daniel Carter was Daniel Carter, got MOTM despite how quickly Englands defence was rushing up. Looked solid with the goal kicking as well, which is nice. Nonu had a decent game, but he seems to be making some of his bad decisions that he worked out of his game during the Tri Nations. He was also given limited ball in space because of the rush defence. Sonny Bill Williams did as I thought he would, except for one poor pass, he looked solid, and did a nice offload to Kaino setting up the try of god. His best attribute in this game, was what many people thought he'd do poor at. His defence was actually very good, especially cutting off broken play. Joe Rokocoko had a good game on the wing, although what does frustrate me, is the work Henry wants his wings to do, outside their position. He had a very good work rate, but he was never really in the right position to challenge the defence. Isia Toeava came on, and did as I thought he would. People can claim in was a sholder charge, but realistically it's all you can do when a player is trying to score in the corner, and he potentially saved this match from becoming a draw. He doesn't look quite right on the wing, but I'd like to see him used more at center and fullback on this tour. Mils showed individual bits of very good skill and experience, but once again he seems to be playing a bit selfishly, like he has to control every play.

Hosea Gear!!! First touch of the ball he out sprinted everyone, and was just caught up on the last defender. Scored a very good try (perhaps could have gone the other way), but all in all, I can't see how he won't now be a regular starter. He got given an oppertunity, and he took it.

Not New Zealand's best performance, with plenty to work on, but at least it's one big step out of the way to completing a grand slam.
 
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Messy game from New Zealand, should have done better to be honest, and there is one good reason why New Zealand didn't, and he has 91 caps. I don't dislike Mils, but lately he's been playing stupid rugby. If he's not either tacking the tackle himself, he'll kick it. There were several occasions when New Zealand had a good overlap, or at least plenty of counter attacking space, for both Rokocoko and Gear, but he always chose to kick, which didn't rarely pay off.

he caught the dreaded waikato/stephen donalds disease but he seemed to come right later on
 
Might as well do some ratings for England while I wait for the Ireland game:

Sheridan: 7/10 Scrummaged well for England, won a couple of penalties in the second half, made some useful carries to keep England on the front foot. Considering he's been out of test match rugby since the 2009 Six Nations, an encouraging return - a marked improvement on Tim 'walking penalty' Payne.

Thompson: 6/10 Played his part at scrum-time, slightly erratic with his throwing (his main advantage over Hartley) but commited well to breakdowns, made valuable tackles and a couple of decent carries. Thought Hartley improved England when he came on though, as is undoubtedly the future.

Cole: 8/10 Scrummaged Woodcock off the park throughout the game, hit each breakdown, made a few carries (even found himself in midfield on a couple of occasions). The best scrummager in the England squad at the age of 23. Proves what a player Castro is that this guy doesn't start for the Tigers.

Lawes: 7/10 Athletic in the lineout, made some fantastic tackes, hit every ruck first, carried strongly, very encouraging performance from the young man.

Palmer: 7/10 I think Barnes said he made 13 tackles in the 60 minutes he was on. Understated but effective, marshalled the lineout quite well with Lawes, proving a good compliment to Lawes in the second row.

Croft: 7/10 Not as devastatingly destructive as he can be, but contributed in every area of the game - what a lineout forward he is.

Moody: 6/10 Chucked himself at each kick, was just about the only England player on the kick-chase. Worth his place in the team though, i reckon. At least until Rees sorts out his injury problem.

Easter: 9/10 Wow. Hugely impressive from the lumbering, slow, podgy 8. Made a huge amount of carries, and seemed to be the real leader on the pitch for England (quick tap was evident). Kept going for the full 80, and proved all of his doubters wrong. Really, really impressive performance from a very good player. Provides a good link between forwards and backs.

Youngs: 8/10 No doubt an international scrum-half. Was telling that when Care came on England looked less effective. Super player, kept the All Blacks on their toes around the rucks with his short bursts and his rapport with Flood will be key for England in the run up to RWC 2011.

Flood: 8/10 Aside from one missed touch, he kicked impeccibly from hand, finding really long touches throughout the game. Although he stood too deep occasionally, brought the outside backs into it well. No doubt worth his place over Wilkinson given his last four games for England (though i still feel Wilkinson is worth being in the 22 simply to kick the goals in the last 20 of a match).

Cueto: 5/10 Solid but underwhelming. Lost even more pace since the summer, and although he was one of England's best players last Autumn, i think England have moved up a gear since then. With players like Ojo, Strettle, Banahan and Armitage all knocking on the door, I can't see him keeping his place for the Six Nations.

Hape: 6/10 Same as Cueto really. With players knocking on the door behind him can't see him keeping his place unless he improves his performances. Possibly hindered by Tindall alongside him, but needs to do more to impress me - he's not even Bath's first choice 12. If England want someone to provide Ashton and Foden with good attacking ball, the Johnson should pick Barkley for England at 12 every day of the week, he's the best passer in the Premiership.

Tindall: 5/10 Okay in defence by his standards, but by many others' he had a good day in that aspect. Looked sluggish with ball in hand and lacked confidence. Like I said earlier, if there's someone pacier and more creative alongside him he's worth his place, like Hape. What we've learned is that a Hape/Tindall combination is far too negative.

Ashton & Foden: 8/10 Might as well put these too together, they were born to play international rugby. Look like veterans of the side, and are developing into a hugely effective and confident partnership. The way forward for England.

Subs:

Hartley: 7/10 Dynamic and strong on the carry, much improved lineout, didn't hinder the scrum.
 
Cole: 8/10 Scrummaged Woodcock off the park throughout the game, hit each breakdown, made a few carries (even found himself in midfield on a couple of occasions). The best scrummager in the England squad at the age of 23. Proves what a player Castro is that this guy doesn't start for the Tigers.
Hardly. New Zealand didn't concede a scrum, and the referee seemed pretty lost to be honest. Didn't scrum badly by any means, but to say he scrummed Woodcock off the park is a vast exaggeration.
 
England didn't look like they wanted to turnover any scrums in my eyes, they seemed to want to get out and back into defence asap so didn't commit too much (look at the scrum V where Fourie got to Carter before he kicked) just enough to keep it stable/not go backwards (though i'm probably just looking at it through Rose tinted glasses :p )
To win a penalty on pretty much every one of your own put ins isn't too shabby
 
Hardly. New Zealand didn't concede a scrum, and the referee seemed pretty lost to be honest. Didn't scrum badly by any means, but to say he scrummed Woodcock off the park is a vast exaggeration.

Mr Poite was absolutely conned by the England front row; he had no idea what was going on. Effectively he was guessing most of the time, and adopted the "Stu Dickinson" approach (if you don't know who the culprit is, penalise the visiting team).

England were standing up in the front every time the pressure came on Whenever they were having difficulty clearing the ball from their own put in, up they came to get the reset. Three times I counted them doing this when they were under pressure, once when Mealamu took one against the feed.

Woodcock was penalised twice for not binding, but it was clear that neither he nor his opponent were binding.

Twice the All Black front row were pinged for collapsing, when it was in fact the England front row who collapsed (three England front rowers on their bellies, three All Black front rowers still on their feet, and England gets the penalty???

Having mentioned Mealamu, expect him to be cited (and cop a lengthy suspension) for the head-butt on Lewis Moody in the 47th minute. It was clearly and obviously an intentional act by Mealamu.... dumb!!!!
 
I think Moody left the pitch within a few minutes of it as well,
I expect him and Hartley to get cited,
Toeava possibly deserves one as well, but I think it was more a "should've-had-a-bollocking-from-sir" than a bannable offence


If Hartley gets a ban (he probably deserves a week or two) then it means or substitute hooker will be George Chuter....blleaarrggghhhh, why the hell didn't Rob Webber get the nod over him? Did well with what little time he had over the summer, and has been on top form for Wasps
 
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