England Post-WC discussion

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Maybe a Saxons team of
1) Auterac, 2) Taylor, 3) Thomas
4) Gaskell, 5) Kitchener/Slater
6) Clifford, 7) Kvesic/Frase, 8) Easter
9) Robson, 10) (?)
12) Eastmond, 13) Burrell
11) Roko, 14) Yarde, 15) Tait

16) Heywood, 17) Waller, 18) Cooper-Wooley
19) Williams/Slater, 20) O'Connor
21) Harrison, 22) B.Burns, 23) Pennell/Thompstone

10 is tricky really Bell played well for Leicester but isn't a proper 10 IMO, not a fan of Myler, Loz from wasps maybe.

Really hope Burns can get his Glous form back with Mauger but add a Leicester defending and kicking game to it.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Maybe a Saxons team of
1) Auterac, 2) Taylor, 3) Thomas
4) Gaskell, 5) Kitchener/Slater
6) Clifford, 7) Kvesic/Frase, 8) Easter
9) Robson, 10) (?)
12) Eastmond, 13) Burrell
11) Roko, 14) Yarde, 15) Tait

16) Heywood, 17) Waller, 18) Cooper-Wooley
19) Williams/Slater, 20) O'Connor
21) Harrison, 22) B.Burns, 23) Pennell/Thompstone

10 is tricky really Bell played well for Leicester but isn't a proper 10 IMO, not a fan of Myler, Loz from wasps maybe.

Really hope Burns can get his Glous form back with Mauger but add a Leicester defending and kicking game to it.

Cipriani at 10, Beaumont at 8 - doubt either will make the EPS but should definitely be in the Saxons/around the EPS.
Lewington should be involved somewhere.

Would definitely not have Billy Burns in the Saxons - he's barely worth his spot in the Gloucester side his defence is so poor and his performances are quite hit or miss (which I guess is more understandable considering his age).

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Cipriani at 10, Beaumont at 8 - doubt either will make the EPS but should definitely be in the Saxons/around the EPS.
Lewington should be involved somewhere.

Would definitely not have Billy Burns in the Saxons - he's barely worth his spot in the Gloucester side his defence is so poor and his performances are quite hit or miss (which I guess is more understandable considering his age).

Was doing it off who I would put in EPS on the last page in which I had Cips and Beaumont.

Yeah I would prob swap Billy Burns with Loz

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

Nothing wrong with George Ford and Owen Farrell both very good players but i never understood why Cipriani isn't considered that much. Is it because off the trouble he gets himself into.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

This is the squad he has to change:

With 11 potential changes with Burgess gone it's a free spot
Jamie George
Rob Webber - Hartley
Tom Youngs
Kieran Brookes
Dan Cole
Joe Marler - Mullan
Mako Vunipola
David Wilson
George Kruis
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes - Attwood
Geoff Parling - Itojie
Callum Clark - Ewers
James Haskell
Chris Robshaw
Tom Wood - Kvesic/Fraser
Ben Morgan
Billy Vunipola
Danny Care
Richard Wigglesworth - Simpson
Ben Youngs
Owen Farrell
George Ford
Luther Burrell- Daly
Brad Barritt - Hill
Jonathan Joseph
Henry Slade
Jonny May
Jack Nowell
Anthony Watson
Mike Brown
Alex Goode - Foden

Add Cips
that would be my choice but doubt it will happen

 

[Josht36]

This is the squad he has to change:

With 11 potential changes with Burgess gone it's a free spot
Jamie George
Rob Webber - Hartley
Tom Youngs
Kieran Brookes
Dan Cole
Joe Marler - Mullan
Mako Vunipola
David Wilson
George Kruis
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes - Attwood
Geoff Parling - Itojie
Callum Clark - Ewers
James Haskell
Chris Robshaw
Tom Wood - Kvesic/Fraser
Ben Morgan
Billy Vunipola
Danny Care
Richard Wigglesworth - Simpson
Ben Youngs
Owen Farrell
George Ford
Luther Burrell- Daly
Brad Barritt - Hill
Jonathan Joseph
Henry Slade
Jonny May
Jack Nowell
Anthony Watson
Mike Brown
Alex Goode - Foden

Add Cips
that would be my choice but doubt it will happen

Its pretty tough to disagree with any of that. Maybe Roko is unlucky to miss out but there isn't an obvious winger to drop. Fingers crossed Jones will see it the same way.

 

[Mattybuck]

I like Foden but see bringing him in as a backwards step. Most likely Watson is going to be the FB long term and should be given game time there.

That way Roko or Yarde can be brought in.

 

[tsof]

Eddies first day today!

Wonder what he'll start with?

The phone. He's still stuck in Japan as his UK Visa hasn't been approved yet.

 

[brokenoses]

Neal Hatley linked to a role with England

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/34982780

 

[MrTea_32]

This is the squad he has to change:

With 11 potential changes with Burgess gone it's a free spot
Jamie George
Rob Webber - Hartley
Tom Youngs
Kieran Brookes
Dan Cole
Joe Marler - Mullan
Mako Vunipola
David Wilson
George Kruis
Joe Launchbury
Courtney Lawes - Attwood
Geoff Parling - Itojie
Callum Clark - Ewers
James Haskell
Chris Robshaw
Tom Wood - Kvesic/Fraser
Ben Morgan
Billy Vunipola
Danny Care
Richard Wigglesworth - Simpson
Ben Youngs
Owen Farrell
George Ford
Luther Burrell- Daly
Brad Barritt - Hill
Jonathan Joseph
Henry Slade
Jonny May
Jack Nowell
Anthony Watson
Mike Brown
Alex Goode - Foden

Add Cips
that would be my choice but doubt it will happen

Would like to think there's a place for Eastmond this time around

 

[TimothyQ]

To be honest, I think 11 changes from the RWC squad might be a bit over the top, my changes would be
Hartley for Webber
Itoji for Parling / Lawes
Kvesic for Robshaw
Ewers for Clark
Simpson for Wiggy
Daly for Burgess

As Dylan was established prior to his aggressive nuzzling, that's 5 new guys into a squad which already has a few green lads, I really don't think they should be bringing in any more unless they demand selection.

 

[Maverick1987]

To be honest, I think 11 changes from the RWC squad might be a bit over the top, my changes would be
Hartley for Webber
Itoji for Parling / Lawes
Kvesic for Robshaw
Ewers for Clark
Simpson for Wiggy
Daly for Burgess

As Dylan was established prior to his aggressive nuzzling, that's 5 new guys into a squad which already has a few green lads, I really don't think they should be bringing in any more unless they demand selection.

I'd keep Robshaw and get rid of Wood

Also Mullan needs to be picked too

 

[TimothyQ]

I think Robshaw taking a year out of the team could be a good thing. He's been in the squad, as captain, for 4 years and it wouldn't do anyone any harm for him to earn his place in the squad at quins.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why, though?
He's been exceptionally consistent and topping a number of different stats tables.

I wouldn't have him as captain, and I wouldn't have him at 7 - he 100% deserves a spot in the EPS though.

 

[TimothyQ]

Firstly, I think it would be poor for the team dynamic to remove him as captain and keep in the squad. Secondly, because I think it would make it easier for him to return to the side in 9 months, and thirdly, because I think we benefit from a full time line out option in the back row which neither Robshaw, Kvesic or Ewers offer.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Why, though?
He's been exceptionally consistent and topping a number of different stats tables.

I wouldn't have him as captain, and I wouldn't have him at 7 - he 100% deserves a spot in the EPS though.

Totally agree with that.

I think Wilson could be one to lose out.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

What's happened with Wilson?
Wasn't that long ago that he looked the best scrummaging tighthead in England(/potentially Europe) and had people questioning whether Cole would get the 3 shirt back, now he's barely playing for his club.

 

[SWAGGER]

Jamie George

Rob Webber - Hartley (I would start George)

Tom Youngs

Kieran Brookes

Dan Cole

Joe Marler - Mullan

Mako Vunipola

David Wilson - Mullan (go back to pre world cup squad & have 3 looseheads) Brookes & cole are clearly the top 2 tightheads. Plus allows the new coach to view all 3 main options at looseheads which is out weaker side

George Kruis

Joe Launchbury: if not itojie than he would be my captain.

Courtney Lawes - Attwood

Geoff Parling - Itojie (he would be my new captain but I do see him more of 6)

Callum Clark - Ewers

James Haskell - Fraser

Chris Robshaw

Tom Wood - Kvesic allows us to have 2 real 7 as options for the starting shirt

Ben Morgan

Billy Vunipola

Danny Care

Richard Wigglesworth - Simpson

Ben Youngs

Owen Farrell

George Ford

Luther Burrell- Daly

Brad Barritt - Eastmond

Jonathan Joseph

Henry Slade

Jonny May

Jack Nowell

Anthony Watson

Mike Brown

Alex Goode : I would like wade but can't see it and have Watson as fb cover.

Get cips in as well, thinking salter will be putting his hand up after he has few more games under his belt. Hill, Thomas, LCD, Burrell, Taylor, Beaumont & Rock unlucky to miss out.

Thoughts lads on that squad ???

 

[Irish boy]

Eastmond has to be in the squad imo. He was dropped because he couldn't defend Nonu probably they best 12 in world rugby.

 

[Peat]

What's happened with Wilson?
Wasn't that long ago that he looked the best scrummaging tighthead in England(/potentially Europe) and had people questioning whether Cole would get the 3 shirt back, now he's barely playing for his club.

My guess it's his work around the field that his coaches have always questioned, not his scrummaging - Thomas will always have that over him and has really kicked on a scrummager.

Other possibility - Bath want Wilson in the gym correcting what happened in the England conditioning camp and in due time he'll take his place back.