[England] Post-6N/Pre-RWC Player Watch

[goodNumber10]

I think we need to see how this plays out, it could be any number of things (as unlikely as that is), it might even be a case of he's been out the night before was heading home early after sleeping somewhere and still be close to the limit etc... which while is still wrong would be very different to walking out of a club and getting in his car.

And lets face facts we've had some world class players who've dropped huge clangers that have worked out for the best - Dallaglio and the New of the World turned out for the best as Johnson became captain.

 

[McTallshort]

Joe Marler tripping over a toy snake and landing in a pile of dirty nappies, increasing recovery time on his shoulder?

Chris robshaw on a naked drug fuelled rampage through mothercare in Milton Keynes.

 

[goodNumber10]

also, to be clear he hasn't been charged yet, but was arrested and released on bail.

 

[Patchey]

Chris robshaw on a naked drug fuelled rampage through mothercare in Milton Keynes.

Joe Launchbury throws up in a policeman's helmet on the Cathedral Close in Salisbury, after a haribo and energy drink fuelled bender.

 

[ncurd]

I think we need to see how this plays out, it could be any number of things (as unlikely as that is), it might even be a case of he's been out the night before was heading home early after sleeping somewhere and still be close to the limit etc... which while is still wrong would be very different to walking out of a club and getting in his car.

If you're over the limit you should still be aware of it and these really is no excuse if you do it. I think we have one of the highest limits in Europe. That said I'm fairly certain most people have done it the morning after the night before but I can't imagine anyone doing that not the least bit aware they shouldn't be doing it.

We'll wait and see but I suspect if he is over regardless of the reason Lancaster will get rid of him he was hardly a favourite of his anyway as evidenced by the amount of game time he got in the 6 nations.

 

[LiRFCMatt]

What was cipriani doing though? I find it mind boggling. I wouldn't be surprised if he was drinking the night before and thought he would get away with it. If he was bladders then he is the biggest idiot around and has cost himself an England place under Lancaster.

It would have just been BaaBaas celebrations. If he has only been arrested under suspicion it suggests he wasn't much over the limit or he even could have been under it at the time they took him to the police station following the crash. Maybe he tried to limit himself and didn't calculate the alcohol percentage and felt fine to drive, or of course he woke up in his car perhaps and thought he was ok to drive. Famously that led to my favourite football team's goalkeeper Luke McCormick to serve 7 years in jail.

Of course I'm not saying what he did was right, it was indeed very stupid.

 

[TRF_heineken]

What the hell is going on with the English players. Don't they want to play in a world cup on home ground??

After Hartley's incident you would have thought that the players would have some sense of self control.

Who's next???

 

[LiRFCMatt]

What the hell is going on with the English players. Don't they want to play in a world cup on home ground??

After Hartley's incident you would have thought that the players would have some sense of self control.

Who's next???

A little bit of me hopes that Calum Clark goes and gets in a brawl with Lee Dickson and they both get kicked out.

 

[goodNumber10]

If you're over the limit you should still be aware of it and these really is no excuse if you do it. I think we have one of the highest limits in Europe. That said I'm fairly certain most people have done it the morning after the night before but I can't imagine anyone doing that not the least bit aware they shouldn't be doing it.

I'm not saying it's ok, i'm saying it puts a slightly different angle on it - it's certainly different to someone drinking 10 pints walking out and getting in their car - which for all we know he might very well have done.

I have zero tolerance for drink drivers, and if he's over the limit he should be banned and pay his course in public court, but the point i'm making is it may make lancaster see things in a different light (unlikely), not the police.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Cips will be dropped Care was dropped for drink driving on NY day morning.

 

[McTallshort]

Funny but when he won MOTM the sky reporter gave him a bottle of champagne and said "you know what to do with that" Yes he does, drink it then go for a spin in his Merc

 

[Jbobo]

Cipriani now? I don't mean to be facetious, but what the hell have the England team been putting in their protein powder?!

 

[ncurd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/32971871

Hartley talking about being dropped, I think there's an interesting thing of the bottom how many Hookers need to injured before he gets recalled out of desperation?

 

[goodNumber10]

Cipriani now? I don't mean to be facetious, but what the hell have the England team been putting in their protein powder?!

not much different to every other team out there really. Everyone has their run of idiots, I'm actually struggling to think of a major Rugby nation that hasn't had well publicised runs of ill dscipline/people doing stupid things that have raised eyebrows - what's more important really is how the coach/squad respond and England are clearly setting an example to everyone there.

Also Cipriani is a bit part player so not the biggest loss if he gets banned/dropped, and ultimately it's important that England don't go into the World Cup with people who can derail the team cause issues.

 

[TRF_heineken]

not much different to every other tea out there rwally. Everyone has their run of idiots, I'm actually struggling to think of a major Rugby nation that hasn't had well publicised runs of ill dscipline/people doing stuid things that have raised eyebrows - what's more important really is how the coach/squad respond and England are clearly setting an example to everyone there.

Also Cipriani is a bit part player so not the biggest loss if he gets banned/dropped, and ultimately it's important that England don't go into the World Cup with people who can derail the team cause issues.

I can only think of Australia and England that has had reports recently regarding ill discipline/people doing stupid things...

Who else did something... Maybe we can have a whole thread... "Rugby's idiots"

 

[goodNumber10]

I can only think of Australia and England that has had reports recently regarding ill discipline/people doing stupid things...

Who else did something... Maybe we can have a whole thread... "Rugby's idiots"

what do you class as recently?

 

[TRF_heineken]

what do you class as recently?

A RWC cycle...

 

[goodNumber10]

A RWC cycle...

well just off the top of my head:

NZ = Zac Guilford (drink), Savea (Spousal Assault), Aaron Cruden (dropped for Drinking)

Wales = Liam Williams (racist fancy dress)

France = Teddy Thomas (dropped for discipline)

Scotland = Maitland & Co (assault)

I'd need to google, but i'm sure there have been people from pretty much each nation who've been in trouble.

 

[TRF_heineken]

well just off the top of my head:

NZ = Zac Guilford (drink), Savea (Spousal Assault), Aaron Cruden (dropped for Drinking)

Wales = Liam Williams (racist fancy dress)

France = Teddy Thomas (dropped for discipline)

Scotland = Maitland & Co (assault)

I'd need to google, but i'm sure there have been people from pretty much each nation who've been in trouble.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those incidents.

Luckily there wasn't one with a South African involved... Was there??

 

[Jbobo]

not much different to every other team out there really. Everyone has their run of idiots, I'm actually struggling to think of a major Rugby nation that hasn't had well publicised runs of ill dscipline/people doing stupid things that have raised eyebrows - what's more important really is how the coach/squad respond and England are clearly setting an example to everyone there.

Also Cipriani is a bit part player so not the biggest loss if he gets banned/dropped, and ultimately it's important that England don't go into the World Cup with people who can derail the team cause issues.

well just off the top of my head:

NZ = Zac Guilford (drink), Savea (Spousal Assault), Aaron Cruden (dropped for Drinking)

Wales = Liam Williams (racist fancy dress)

France = Teddy Thomas (dropped for discipline)

Scotland = Maitland & Co (assault)

I'd need to google, but i'm sure there have been people from pretty much each nation who've been in trouble.

Three separate incidences and three separate players in what, 2 weeks? That seems quite unprecedented to me. It's important to point out that these incidents are obviously no reflection (imo) of the England squad or management as a whole and is just individuals.

I do agree that the England management have dealt with it as best they can, they've been exemplary. But they've had little choice to take any other option, calling up Hartley would be too big a risk should one of their Hookers get injured before he can play again (and the very real risk of him single-handedly destroying England's world cup chances in the latter stages, should they make it) and Tuilagi's assault was serious, he was never going to be called up for the World Cup after that. I think most managements if not all would have made the same decision to drop these players.