[England] Post-6N/Pre-RWC Player Watch

[Irishkid]

Yep just look at his performances against big packs in Europe against Leicester @ Welford and wasps @ (H) he was completely outplayed.

People forget the knock on effects bringing him in would have on the premiership clubs.

He did it for us and I've got an odd feeling he wants to come back to the Prem maybe to Leicster. Anyway I didn't say he'd play just be in the squad.

 

[MrTea_32]

I think it is a real shame Kvesic doesn't get more of a look in. I'd like Robshaw benched for some of the easier games because:
1) We need a secondary leader with at least some experience for if Robshaw is injured
2) We need to know who will replace him tactically if he is injured.

He is always in the England squad. I'm not in favour of kicking him out but I am not happy having absolutely no contingency tried out for our most used player. He could end up like Dan Cole and get overworked. I also don't like the idea of any player having their position cemented, even if they are captain.

Wouldn't Wood be on the bench and replace him one for one if Robshaw was injured.
When it comes to who would take over as captain, either wood, barritt or you have club captains like haskell or marler so we have options

 

[MrTea_32]

He did it for us and I've got an odd feeling he wants to come back to the Prem maybe to Leicster. Anyway I didn't say he'd play just be in the squad.

I've got a feeling he'll end up back in the premiership aswell, what else is there to achieve over in Toulon. If he stays then it's no other reason than for the money which he could earn back here as a marquee player

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

He had a chance to return to the AP on a loan but it went south due to the money being asked considering he wasn't going to be allowed to play European rugby.

I can't see him coming to Leicester as demon Delon doesn't like us

I feel if he was going to come back it would have happened by now, he signed a new deal recently.

 

[TheSaffycen]

Robshaw had the second highest amount of turnovers in the 6 nations behind Cowan. Armitage is okay but I think he will be heavily penalised by SH refs, he doesn't support his weight all that well as the knees always seem to be on the tackled player. He isn't a pocock with unbelievable strength.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Robshaw had the second highest amount of turnovers in the 6 nations behind Cowan. Armitage is okay but I think he will be heavily penalised by SH refs, he doesn't support his weight all that well as the knees always seem to be on the tackled player. He isn't a pocock with unbelievable strength.

I forgot about those stats!

Robshaw is the best English 7! Breakdown and turnover king!

I'll just hide now after writing that

 

[Raggs]

We took Wasps to pieces a few games ago, even prior to red card. He came on against Bath and did well when we had a good game against their scrum. He hasn't played a huge amount still though, granted. Waller also been in good form so not like we've been desperate to rush him back.

No idea on the timing, but Wasps had 2 scrums in that game, won one and lost one (don't know when they happened), Saints were 4 and 1 (which was against the head, though I think after Corbs was off). Don't think you can claim domination on so few.

And Bath, really? He came on to face a tired Thomas and then 3rd choice Palma-Newport.

The start of this season there were promising signs, since he's lost weight after the recent injury, I've not seen anything to suggest that in terms of scrummaging, he should be significantly ahead of a fair few LHs.

 

[yaboyjj]

analysis article from rugbyworld on the Saracens game singing Itojes' praises (again):
http://www.rugbyworld.com/countries...mpions-cup-analysis-maro-itoje-saracens-44710

had they got a bit more strikepower in the backs, Saracens could have easily won that match- they more than matched Clermont for physicality (please Lanky, give either Ewers or Itoje a game at six this summer)

 

[91jmay]

No idea on the timing, but Wasps had 2 scrums in that game, won one and lost one (don't know when they happened), Saints were 4 and 1 (which was against the head, though I think after Corbs was off). Don't think you can claim domination on so few.

And Bath, really? He came on to face a tired Thomas and then 3rd choice Palma-Newport.

The start of this season there were promising signs, since he's lost weight after the recent injury, I've not seen anything to suggest that in terms of scrummaging, he should be significantly ahead of a fair few LHs.

We had a stage of 3 resets in a row on your goal line, then we had a penalty which we took as another scrum. Was after red though IIRC so not so impressie.

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analysis article from rugbyworld on the Saracens game singing Itojes' praises (again):
http://www.rugbyworld.com/countries...mpions-cup-analysis-maro-itoje-saracens-44710

had they got a bit more strikepower in the backs, Saracens could have easily won that match- they more than matched Clermont for physicality (please Lanky, give either Ewers or Itoje a game at six this summer)

I agree the surely have to be getting warm up/Bar Bars looks. Burgess another who if keeps performing at 6 will get a shot there I think.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Robshaw had the second highest amount of turnovers in the 6 nations behind Cowan. Armitage is okay but I think he will be heavily penalised by SH refs, he doesn't support his weight all that well as the knees always seem to be on the tackled player. He isn't a pocock with unbelievable strength.

He is good at turning the ball over, and I think people are sometimes less lenient with him than they are with others who don't have his reputation.

However I don't disagree with the notion that a few others on here share that he would find international rugby a very different prospect.

 

[yaboyjj]

We had a stage of 3 resets in a row on your goal line, then we had a penalty which we took as another scrum. Was after red though IIRC so not so impressie.

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I agree the surely have to be getting warm up/Bar Bars looks. Burgess another who if keeps performing at 6 will get a shot there I think.

I very much fear Burgess' chance will come at the expense of someone more deserving/more capable (as happened with the Saxons game)

 

[ratsapprentice]

I very much fear Burgess' chance will come at the expense of someone more deserving/more capable (as happened with the Saxons game)

Except it was, you know... a Saxons game, not a second team game.

 

[yaboyjj]

Except it was, you know... a Saxons game, not a second team game.

Um, what are you trying to say?

 

[ratsapprentice]

That who they select in a Saxons game is not indicative of who they will pick in games for which the result really matters.

 

[yaboyjj]

That who they select in a Saxons game is not indicative of who they will pick in games for which the result really matters.

Yeah, Ok, but its generally acknowledged as a pathway to the elite set-up, and as such, you should be playing those who have legitimate claim to make the test team at some point in the near future.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Which Burgess, being regarded in the last 12 months as there or thereabouts the best RL player in the world, was considered to potentially have...

 

[yaboyjj]

Which Burgess, being regarded in the last 12 months as there or thereabouts the best RL player in the world, was considered to potentially have...

meh, I'd prefer them to base such assertions on performances week in week out in the Union code

 

[ratsapprentice]

It's not much different from having a look at someone like LCD.

 

[yaboyjj]

It's not much different from having a look at someone like LCD.

Oh yeah, absolutely, I was pretty annoyed about that too- wish George had had a look in (someone playing well, week in week out for club)

 

[ratsapprentice]

That's clearly not the only thing you take into account when choosing a development side... again - it's not a second team.