England EPS 2017/18 edition.

[ratsapprentice]

Enbd of the day England pay to be able to have the players not be told how to train them by the clubs. If clubs want to go against that then have fun trying to sign players who want to play for England...

Sick of people saying they are employed by the clubs - it's a fairly arbitrary difference. I'm fairly confident in saying that they get payed a much higher wage for their "freelance" work for England than they do their contracted work with the clubs. Yes, it's the RFU's fault for not taking responsibility in the 90's, but let's not pretend they wouldn't have been able to do it... they just made a gargantuan error at the time.

As you say... good luck keeping hold of Anthony Watson, JJ, Cokanasiga, Underhill et al when you tell them they can't play for England, Bruce.
Oh yeah, say sayonara to your Academy funding too.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Oh yeah, say sayonara to your Academy funding too.

Why would London Irish get punished?

 

[ratsapprentice]

Why would London Irish get punished?

S&M codes dictate thusly....

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Sick of people saying they are employed by the clubs - it's a fairly arbitrary difference. I'm fairly confident in saying that they get payed a much higher wage for their "freelance" work for England than they do their contracted work with the clubs. Yes, it's the RFU's fault for not taking responsibility in the 90's, but let's not pretend they wouldn't have been able to do it... they just made a gargantuan error at the time.

As you say... good luck keeping hold of Anthony Watson, JJ, Cokanasiga, Underhill et al when you tell them they can't play for England, Bruce.
Oh yeah, say sayonara to your Academy funding too.

Let's also face it the reason wages in England are not even higher than they could be is because the RFU have agreed not to play players outside of England, something that the PRL insists.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Sick of people saying they are employed by the clubs - it's a fairly arbitrary difference. I'm fairly confident in saying that they get payed a much higher wage for their "freelance" work for England than they do their contracted work with the clubs.

Probably not arbitrary if you're the owner shelling out millions. And without doing the work for the clubs at their owners expense, players aren't in the shop window for the big bucks internationals bring. They all need each other.

I've long said that the best interests of the national team are served by total control from HQ. But it doesn't look like that will ever happen and we all like the league format too much to go to regional or anything like that. So we're probably stuck with a version of what we've got - not perfect, but everybody's got to live with it.

Perspectives can differ massively though. If Obano's badly hurt on Eng duty, it's a minor irritation to Jones, he's 4th choice at best. At Bath he's the top man who they'll probably have to go out and immediately replace not to mention having the uncertainty of whether he'll be as good when he does eventually come back. In the meantime Boyce has caught Jones' eye.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Probably not arbitrary if you're the owner shelling out millions. And without doing the work for the clubs at their owners expense, players aren't in the shop window for the big bucks internationals bring. They all need each other.

Do they though....?

If the owners backed out you don't think the RFU would be able to fund/attract investment into franchising?
Unless the owners decided to be vindictive, I find it very hard to believe the pro-game would die on it's feet....
There would be a very big change - short term pain maybe, but the idea that everyone would have to pack up their bags and be done with the sport as a professional endeavour seem bogus to me.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

You don't need millionaire owners to make pro rugby work though.
Us, Japan and France are the only ones who have them.
The RFU should be the most powerful union in the world but it is hindered by Owners thinking they are the dogs ********.

Millionaires owners have hindered pro rugby more than improved it IMO, is English rugby in a better state on a whole now than in say 2003?

The owner millionaire owner that has really improved a club IMO is Sarries, mainly because they have invested a lot of money into their academy.
I don't think Bath would even have an academy currently if it wasn't for the RFU funding.
(The RFU funding which people seem to forget when they talk about produce players for England).

 

[ratsapprentice]

Us, Japan and France are the only ones who have them.

And even in Japan it's not quite down to the whims and ego of an individual - they're literally part of the organisation of huge industrial groups like Panasonic and Honda.

It's only England and France who have widespread private ownership.

 

[Nudger]

When is the team announced?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

When is the team announced?

Thursday I think

 

[TRF_Olyy]

EJ's masterplan to combat altitude is to just ignore it and fly in the day before the game.

We're gonna gas out so ******* hard

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

EJ's masterplan to combat altitude is to just ignore it and fly in the day before the game.

We're gonna gas out so ******* hard

I'm hoping theyve been training with altitude masks on or something...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Now the same people who Butt kissed Craig are now going off at the PRL for not shortening the 2021 season for the lions.

BUT THE PRL CARES ABOUT WELFARE EDDIE LISTEN TO THEM!!!!! to now THE PRL DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS AT ALL!!!!

 

[ratsapprentice]

I'm hoping theyve been training with altitude masks on or something...

Those don't do anything.

They suck, but the don't have the same effect as altitude.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yup, there's a difference between no air and low oxygen air. Those gas mask thinks train your diaphragm/rib muscles more than they adapt you to altitude.

Studied have showed that the best way to utilise altitude training is train low rest high.
So you have the oxygen when you're training so you can push harder but then your recovery is in a low o2 environment so you produce more red bloodcells.
Though just straight up staying in the high altitude is also very beneficial.

You see it a lot in MMA, fighters do their camps in the mountains and also travel to their fight destination two weeks in advance if it's at altitude.
Cain Velasquez was famed for his cardio but did no altitude training and travelled to Mexico city only a couple of days before his fight, gassed out mega hard and lost his belt in devastating fashion as a result.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Jo'burg is what 1,753m above sea level, So only 1718m higher than London.

Pro athletes should 100% be able to adjust with ease to that.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

The game as a whole is massively wedded to clubs and promotion / relegation.

EJ's masterplan to combat altitude is to just ignore it and fly in the day before the game.

We're gonna gas out so ******* hard

It's all right, Eddie knows what he's doing. And if it does all go wrong it'll be the clubs' fault.

 

[RedruthRFC]

EJ's masterplan to combat altitude is to just ignore it and fly in the day before the game.

We're gonna gas out so ******* hard

Just read an article on Rugby Pass that says that the Durban base and flying the venues the day before is a calculated plan to negate the effects of altitude by spending as little time there as possible! Later in the same article, Erasmus says that he's surprised that Jones isn't taking advantage of the time he has on his side by basing the team in Jo'burg for the week to acclimatise! Somebody is singing from the wrong song sheet!

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Just read an article on Rugby Pass that says that the Durban base and flying the venues the day before is a calculated plan to negate the effects of altitude by spending as little time there as possible! Later in the same article, Erasmus says that he's surprised that Jones isn't taking advantage of the time he has on his side by basing the team in Jo'burg for the week to acclimatise! Somebody is singing from the wrong song sheet!

Yeah, the reasoning in the article isn't overly flawed tbh. Basically along the lines that he wouldn't be able to train as much at high altitude so I assume he thinks he can formulate a game plan to more effectively deal with the conditions than if he just acclimatised the players... We will see what happens

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's pants on head retarded, is what it is.
Doing extra sessions at sea level won't make up for the altitude, especially as Jones already beasts them half to death in training regularly.

Lads are gonna be bollocksed from a long season of rugby as it is, then throwing zero altitude training on top of it (+ Jones extra hard training to try and make up for no altitude) - they're gonna need zimmer frames just to get onto the pitch.



Edit: Genuinely can't believe EJ reckons you can negate the literal fact that there's less oxygen in the air by just being there for less time. It's the exact opposite of what you should do.