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That sums it up pretty well, much like some don't have the mental ability to play well on the back foot which was a massive factor in the six nations.

Basically, although if your forwards can't get on the front foot then you are going to struggle regardless. Can't think of many if any teams that regularly win top flight stuff with forwards on the back foot.
 
I think he will surprise you in his work-rate, skill and acuity. And he's as hard as ****. Never-back-down, break-rocks-all-day hard. Last guy off the pitch after bringing in the loose kit, first guy at training, last guy to leave. Smart, quiet, a leader, not a big head.

He will be sorely missed in Wellington.
Sounds like Chris Robshaw with a weird accent
 
Basically, although if your forwards can't get on the front foot then you are going to struggle regardless. Can't think of many if any teams that regularly win top flight stuff with forwards on the back foot.

True that, certain things can be done though, try to get some line speed not get rocked back in the tackle (when the tackle is made at least), it will always be difficult to win when on the back foot for most of a game but if the pressure created from being on the back foot gets to descision makers, they then make more mistakes that equates to being even more on the back foot, the whole thing becomes a vicious circle.

A lot of backs can be made to look very good if their pack is domainant, I would say it's their ability to adapt and play when they are not that seperates them.
 
True that, certain things can be done though, try to get some line speed not get rocked back in the tackle (when the tackle is made at least), it will always be difficult to win when on the back foot for most of a game but if the pressure created from being on the back foot gets to descision makers, they then make more mistakes that equates to being even more on the back foot, the whole thing becomes a vicious circle.

A lot of backs can be made to look very good if their pack is domainant, I would say it's their ability to adapt and play when they are not that seperates them.

Name me a 10 that impresses behind a backwards pack?

You can't build line speed if the forwards can't create space or draw in defenders, maybe if the opposition have a great pack and crap backs defence then maybe but outside of that you can't do it.

The only thing a 10 can really do behind a backwards pack is kick kick kick and pray.
 
Name me a 10 that impresses behind a backwards pack?

You can't build line speed if the forwards can't create space or draw in defenders, maybe if the opposition have a great pack and crap backs defence then maybe but outside of that you can't do it.

The only thing a 10 can really do behind a backwards pack is kick kick kick and pray.

I don't recall referring to a 10 specifically, I said backs, mainly talking about the 9 & 10 pairings in this instance, Faz is defiantly our best option if we know we are going to be on the back foot, pretty sure we have previously debaited this.

I'd agree with the kick and hope to some degree but the quality of the kick, if those kicks are going to be kept in field or out, how aggressive the chase and follow up is (assuming it's not contestable), these are finer points but I refuse to concede that backs can't make a difference, look at sarries until recently they literally had a game plan built around complete commitment to defence and exceptional kick chase, btw I am not saying they had a pack that was on the back foot either.

With all that said look at Wasps against Sarries they list granted but they were dominated utterly upfront, that didn't stop the backs firing, if there defender wasn't so porous which has been a problem all season it could potentially been a different outcome.
 
The thing about the 9 and 10 is they are decision makers who choose from the options presented to them by their team as well as a few they can do individually (basically kick or run themselves). A pack that is going backwards will mean all the passing options are consistently bad. People forget the 9 and 10 don't necessarily "create" the passes they do, they merely pick from the options. It's for the rest of the team to present them with these options. If a 9 or 10 keeps passing to players who aren't making any headway then they get criticism but if they start taking it on themselves to do something else like kicking or running then they get criticism for losing their heads and trying to force the game. Being behind a losing pack is nearly always going to make even the best halfbacks look bad. I imagine Murray and Sexton would look far less impressive if the Irish pack wasn't as good as it is. Last time the Irish pack were truly on the back foot, they lost.
 
I just hope shields is the real deal, puts down a marker, then of that os the case then EJ does not try and use him along side robshaw!
He needs to push robshaw out of the equation, atm id rather wilson armand graham ahead of him so hopfully shields comes in brings alot of leadership and experence of a different style of rugby to bring us up to speed and help him learn our way. As people said no guarentee but im confident he will be better than current form robshaw.

13 is my issue outside the pack, if JJ is unavailable and daly is wing/FB. Who is 13? And how to they stack up as an international 13?
 
I just hope shields is the real deal, puts down a marker, then of that os the case then EJ does not try and use him along side robshaw!
He needs to push robshaw out of the equation, atm id rather wilson armand graham ahead of him so hopfully shields comes in brings alot of leadership and experence of a different style of rugby to bring us up to speed and help him learn our way. As people said no guarentee but im confident he will be better than current form robshaw.

13 is my issue outside the pack, if JJ is unavailable and daly is wing/FB. Who is 13? And how to they stack up as an international 13?
Agree that 13 is our main weakness in the backline. A fit Tuilagi would be my choice but you can't rely on him being fit. After that I'd go for Te'o; similar mould so fits right into the game plan but more importantly is a very good player. Joseph doesn't do it for me, offers very little in attack these days and I don't entirely buy into the hype around his defence. It is good but whether it's worth keeping him in side despite his attacking frailties is a very different question. He is both experienced and reliable though so definitely an option. Beyond that the options wear quite thin. Marchant should be our 13 eventually but he's still a bit too green at the moment. I'm a big fan of Loz and Slade is also good and in a similar mould but it would mean a change of 12 as you don't really want both of your centres being out and out playmakers. I'd quite like to see Nowell given a go there.
 
Agree that 13 is our main weakness in the backline. A fit Tuilagi would be my choice but you can't rely on him being fit. After that I'd go for Te'o; similar mould so fits right into the game plan but more importantly is a very good player. Joseph doesn't do it for me, offers very little in attack these days and I don't entirely buy into the hype around his defence. It is good but whether it's worth keeping him in side despite his attacking frailties is a very different question. He is both experienced and reliable though so definitely an option. Beyond that the options wear quite thin. Marchant should be our 13 eventually but he's still a bit too green at the moment. I'm a big fan of Loz and Slade is also good and in a similar mould but it would mean a change of 12 as you don't really want both of your centres being out and out playmakers. I'd quite like to see Nowell given a go there.
Nowell to 13 is a bad idea after seeong the final, he gets stood up too easy and can get gassed to easily as he has a lack of pace and 13 is the hardest position to defend. I highly rate nowell but not at 13. JJ works when we have a pack going forward. Like teo and manu at 12 tbh loz and slade are arguably 12s more than 13s, not sure if we are to put daly to 13, with watson may and brown as the back 3
 
Nowell to 13 is a bad idea after seeong the final, he gets stood up too easy and can get gassed to easily as he has a lack of pace and 13 is the hardest position to defend. I highly rate nowell but not at 13. JJ works when we have a pack going forward. Like teo and manu at 12 tbh loz and slade are arguably 12s more than 13s, not sure if we are to put daly to 13, with watson may and brown as the back 3
So Nowell should play wing rather than 13 because he's too slow to play 13?... I also don't see why people are keen on playing Manu at 12; he doesn't have the skillset to play there IMO. He's got no kicking game and a weak passing game. I could get on board with it if we had a Slade/Loz-esque 13 to make up for his lack of general back line ability but are either of those really good enough to be considered first choice? I don't think so. Agree that Loz is probably more of a 12 than a 13 but disagree wholeheartedly on Slade. Last season was easily his worst and it's the season in which he played at 12 for most of the season rather than 13. Maybe a coincidence. Probably not though.
 
I mean, normally I agree... the level of delusion over average to decent players like Symons and O'Connor is embarassing at times.

But, Shields is actually a very good player. That's not to say he'll be a successful international, by any means... it doesn't work as simply as that.
But there's every chance he will be.

Disagree regarding O'Connor but you knew that was coming.
 
I like how our 13 hopes rely on sicknote being available, and if he isn't then sicknote no.2.

We should just expect none of manu teo or Binny being available for the rwc
 
Can a mod please ban Rats.

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