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Hope they're not tbh - I want to see Obano get a start and don't think he will if either of those are there
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Itoje graduated from his Masters degree today. Had no idea he was still in education. Good for him.
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Going to be a weird 6N.
England with no Farrell or Youngs, France with no Dupont, Ireland with no Sexton, Wales with no fly half and Scotland with no Scotsmen.
Joking aside, this really is going to be a big change for everyone but France. Dupont and Ntamack will be missed, but there World Cup side isn't going to be drastically changed and what they lose in Dupont they mostly make up with the likes of Meafou and a bang in form club combination of Lucu and Jalibert.
Ireland are too good not to be there or thereabouts, but Crowley has a massive job in his hands in replacing Sexton and Hansen will be a big loss too.
Scotland. Not sure really … they've had our number recently, so a win at Murrayfield would be very satisfying.
Wales look like they're in trouble. Gatland is doing what he needs to by refreshing the squad, but with limited options at 10, loads of injuries and their biggest attacking threat (LRZ) now out of the picture, they're up against it. Arguably, that's the kind of scenario Gatland likes, but it's a mighty ask.
As far as we're concerned, I have no idea. I hope we play with a bit more freedom and creativity, but that may be too much to hope for.
England with no Farrell or Youngs, France with no Dupont, Ireland with no Sexton, Wales with no fly half and Scotland with no Scotsmen.
Joking aside, this really is going to be a big change for everyone but France. Dupont and Ntamack will be missed, but there World Cup side isn't going to be drastically changed and what they lose in Dupont they mostly make up with the likes of Meafou and a bang in form club combination of Lucu and Jalibert.
Ireland are too good not to be there or thereabouts, but Crowley has a massive job in his hands in replacing Sexton and Hansen will be a big loss too.
Scotland. Not sure really … they've had our number recently, so a win at Murrayfield would be very satisfying.
Wales look like they're in trouble. Gatland is doing what he needs to by refreshing the squad, but with limited options at 10, loads of injuries and their biggest attacking threat (LRZ) now out of the picture, they're up against it. Arguably, that's the kind of scenario Gatland likes, but it's a mighty ask.
As far as we're concerned, I have no idea. I hope we play with a bit more freedom and creativity, but that may be too much to hope for.
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Commentators noted for the first game.
"So it says here he's played some rugby in his youth. By that we mean he played a bit of tag rugby in his youth at a summer camp. When responding to Warren Gatland's plea for players he drunkenly stood up and said "I played when I was young, how hard can it be against these fat fuckers."
The funeral has been penciled in for tomorrow afternoon."
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Happy BorthBall Team Announcement Day to all who celebrate
I hope you've all drawn a nose scab on and are aimlessly running backwards and forwards in your garden chasing a ball you'll never touch
I hope you've all drawn a nose scab on and are aimlessly running backwards and forwards in your garden chasing a ball you'll never touch
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64 pages is definitely an impressive amount of waffle.
You could have just said two and a bit months until we all feel incredibly deflated and locked the thread until today.
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My best guess at today's squad:
LP: Genge, Marler Obano (Baxter and Brantingham next off the rank if Marler and/or Genge are out)
HK: George, Dan, LCD/Langdon
TP: Cole, Stuart, Sinckler
LK: Itoje, Martin, Chessum, Ewels (that 4th slot really could go to anyone though; Isiekwe, Coles, Hill, perhaps even Tizard in contention)
FL: Really hard to guess here with so much uncertainty about the fitness of Underhill and Ludlam. Best guess - Earl, Pearson, Roots, Ludlam, Underhill (B. Curry probably next off the rank. After that maybe another lock with Itoje/Chessum/Coles covering back row)
N8: Vunipola, Barbeary
SH: Mitchell, Spencer, Care
FH: Smith x2, Ford
CE: Lawrence, Slade, Dingwall, Joseph
WG: Feyi-Waboso, Freeman, Cokanasiga, Daly, Watson (if fit, if not then probably Malins)
FB: Steward
I'd be surprised if it veers too much from that.
LP: Genge, Marler Obano (Baxter and Brantingham next off the rank if Marler and/or Genge are out)
HK: George, Dan, LCD/Langdon
TP: Cole, Stuart, Sinckler
LK: Itoje, Martin, Chessum, Ewels (that 4th slot really could go to anyone though; Isiekwe, Coles, Hill, perhaps even Tizard in contention)
FL: Really hard to guess here with so much uncertainty about the fitness of Underhill and Ludlam. Best guess - Earl, Pearson, Roots, Ludlam, Underhill (B. Curry probably next off the rank. After that maybe another lock with Itoje/Chessum/Coles covering back row)
N8: Vunipola, Barbeary
SH: Mitchell, Spencer, Care
FH: Smith x2, Ford
CE: Lawrence, Slade, Dingwall, Joseph
WG: Feyi-Waboso, Freeman, Cokanasiga, Daly, Watson (if fit, if not then probably Malins)
FB: Steward
I'd be surprised if it veers too much from that.
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Hopefully no Vunipola.
Ludlam, Sinckler and J Hill all expected to be off to France - if Borthwick's pretty sure that's the case he should ignore them and anyone else in the same boat. He's got a freeish hit now in rebuilding the team (which will evaporate fairly quickly) and there's no point in investing in those who won't be available for the future. It's not like dropping them would cost us a GS or anything.
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Slade is likely off to France or Japan as well.
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Ahh 4 13s and no 12s...so crazy it just might work!
No but in all seriousness surely one of the young 12s will get a shot?.
Cokanasiga worries me tbh i just dont think parts of his game are up to it. Definitely has positives too ofcourse.
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England Six Nations squad
England's 36-player training squad
Forwards:
Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers, 18 caps)Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers, 107 caps)
Alex Coles (Northampton Saints, 3 caps)
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale Sharks, 41 caps)
Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins, uncapped)
Ben Curry (Sale Sharks, 5 caps)
Theo Dan (Saracens, 7 caps)
Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins, 15 caps)
Ben Earl (Saracens, 25 caps)
Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears, 58 caps)
Jamie George (Saracens, 85 caps) – captain
Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers, 7 caps)
Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 11 caps)
Maro Itoje (Saracens, 76 caps)
Joe Marler (Harlequins, 88 caps)
Beno Obano (Bath Rugby, 3 caps)
Tom Pearson (Northampton Saints, 1 cap)
Ethan Roots (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 33 caps)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 30 caps)
Backs
Oscar Beard (Harlequins, uncapped)Danny Care (Harlequins, 96 caps)
Elliot Daly (Saracens, 64 caps)
Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Immanuel Feyi-Waboso (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped)
George Ford (Sale Sharks, 91 caps)
Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, 3 caps)
George Furbank (Northampton Saints, 6 caps)
Ollie Lawrence (Bath Rugby, 21 caps)
Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, 11 caps)
Tom Roebuck (Sale Sharks, uncapped)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 57 caps)
Fin Smith (Northampton Saints, uncapped)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 30 caps)
Ben Spencer (Bath Rugby, 4 caps)
Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 31 caps)
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Oscar Beard is an odd one for me? Is he a 12 or 13?
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Cunningham-South another big surprise.
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Pretty good,
Oscar Beard is a surprise,
Delighted to see Ben Spencer there, and Roebuck/BC obv
Props pretty uninspiring, especially as two of the looseheads are currently injured, but great to see Obano back
Don't like Roots being there, Barbeary should definitely be there over Roots (or Cunningham-South)
Bit surprised at Isiekwe being there, but with Martin out I wonder if they're looking at him at 6
Very annoyed at no Langdon, LCD shouldn't be there on form or likelihood of jumping ship at the end of the season
Happy with George as captain, said it before but he would've always been my first choice from the players available
Oscar Beard is a surprise,
Delighted to see Ben Spencer there, and Roebuck/BC obv
Props pretty uninspiring, especially as two of the looseheads are currently injured, but great to see Obano back
Don't like Roots being there, Barbeary should definitely be there over Roots (or Cunningham-South)
Bit surprised at Isiekwe being there, but with Martin out I wonder if they're looking at him at 6
Very annoyed at no Langdon, LCD shouldn't be there on form or likelihood of jumping ship at the end of the season
Happy with George as captain, said it before but he would've always been my first choice from the players available
