[COVID-19] General Discussion

[General Melchett]

The Democrats (via their media pals) should be working on a Michael Moore style documentary on his handling of the COVID19 crisis and releasing it on Prime Time TV just as he hits the campaign trail.

 

[ncurd]

Pure deflecting away from his failures in handling this. Everything he blames on them is what he's done wrong.

I mean its all the standard Trump playbook, the real question is if this will actually stick.

 

[Amiga500]

The Democrats (via their media pals) should be working on a Michael Moore style documentary on his handling of the COVID19 crisis and releasing it on Prime Time TV just as he hits the campaign trail.

It would be better if it were a series they air every 2 weeks or so through the campaign.

Its not as if there isn't enough material and it would also keep it firmly in the spotlight.

 

[General Melchett]

It would be better if it were a series they air every 2 weeks or so through the campaign.

Its not as if there isn't enough material and it would also keep it firmly in the spotlight.

I'm sure Netflix or Amazon Prime would be game! There was one in the UK called 'Sunderland till I die'. I'm sure there's a COVID19/Orange man related ***le in there somewhere.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I mean its all the standard Trump playbook, the real question is if this will actually stick.

Inevitably,
Between Fox and social media it'll get enough run time to permeate his fanbase, and that's all he needs.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I mean its all the standard Trump playbook, the real question is if this will actually stick.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ask-his-own-stark-failings-on-covid-19-crisis

Theoretically the White House cannot block funding of international institutions mandated by Congress. But the administration has found ways around such constitutional hurdles on other issues – by simply failing to disburse funds or apply sanctions, for example.

The funding could be formally rescinded, but that would require Senate approval, or "reprogrammed" by being diverted to another purpose that the White House could argue is consistent with the will of Congress.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't read the reddit threads about the subject, I've just had an aneurysm reading some of the **** they're saying about the WHO - all reasonably new accounts upvoted to the heavens, almost like a concerted effort by The_Donald members, with a healthy sprinkling of bots, to try and sway opinion.
Also weird how the hive mind has latched onto the WHO not recognising Taiwan....when almost no country/organisation in the world does. The USA/Trump don't recognise Taiwan ffs.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Ah well, it's just orange man bad. Trump is doing a fantastic job here! 'MURICA

 

[Bada-Bing!]

And watch out for scams during this time. Just received a "text" from a purported tax office saying I was due a refund. Easy to fall for during these times or the vulnerable who are desperate for cash.

My dad got caught out and was pretty mad at him for not asking me, especially as I work in the area, before he gave out his details. Had to get him to get protective registration.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

The Democrats (via their media pals) should be working on a Michael Moore style documentary on his handling of the COVID19 crisis and releasing it on Prime Time TV just as he hits the campaign trail.

if the democrats weren't worthless I'm sure they would

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Trump has halted the IRS payments to Americans so he can have his name printed on them. This is the first time ever that a president has had their name appear on IRS payments. But of course, this is all fine and in no way him just further stroking his ego. Orange man bad! Orange man bad!

 

[Leinster Fan]

even working with the tech giants).

Especially working with tech giants, a group who've shown they're more than happy to lie about what they do with people's data.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52304993

Protesting against the lockdown and being in close proximity to each other. . Only in the good ol' USA.

One woman interviewed needs to get her hair done. Look at her roots. Haven't been done in weeks.


Best feel good story of the day. Incredible that he set to raise £1000 and has raised £12m. Truly inspiring.

 

[Gavin]

This might be a bit of a disliked comment, but is anyone else getting sick of the clapping for the NHS and the endless amount of people, what I would call virtue signalling, by doing fundraising for the NHS and charities?

While Captain Moore is a fantastic individual for doing his fundraising, but I am more disgusted that it has come to this - namely a 99 year old man doing laps in his garden to help fund the NHS.

I get looked down on by people I know for not clapping for the NHS, but those same people who clap for the NHS also vote Conservative. It just boggles my mind.

Is there any similar clapping for key workers in other countries?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

This might be a bit of a disliked comment, but is anyone else getting sick of the clapping for the NHS and the endless amount of people, what I would call virtue signalling, by doing fundraising for the NHS and charities?

While Captain Moore is a fantastic individual for doing his fundraising, but I am more disgusted that it has come to this - namely a 99 year old man doing laps in his garden to help fund the NHS.

I get looked down on by people I know for not clapping for the NHS, but those same people who clap for the NHS also vote Conservative. It just boggles my mind.

Is there any similar clapping for key workers in other countries?

I don't think it's virtue signalling, it's just a case of people all over the UK wanting to feel like they are part of the same movement and instill some sense of social contact when they can't see each other.

There's nothing virtue signalling about it, the best way to get anyone to do anything is through social pressure. If everyone puts something charitable on their social media, everyone else is more likely to do it.

The NHS does not need to be funded by a veteran doing laps of his garden, we are not there yet and probably never will be. Again it's just a case of people needing to do something to make themselves feel of value in a world where most of us cannot go to work or contribute our time to society. It's a good thing that reminds us we are all in it together.

And that last point is insane. People who vote Tory do not vote Tory because they hate the NHS. It's just BS. Most Conservatives would prefer that the NHSs future is protected through fiscal conservatism rather than pouring money into it now and risking bankrupting the country and no longer being able to fund it later.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

This might be a bit of a disliked comment, but is anyone else getting sick of the clapping for the NHS and the endless amount of people, what I would call virtue signalling, by doing fundraising for the NHS and charities?

While Captain Moore is a fantastic individual for doing his fundraising, but I am more disgusted that it has come to this - namely a 99 year old man doing laps in his garden to help fund the NHS.

I get looked down on by people I know for not clapping for the NHS, but those same people who clap for the NHS also vote Conservative. It just boggles my mind.

Is there any similar clapping for key workers in other countries?

I don't have much of a problem with the clapping itself but I do have a problem with people in government singing the praises of the NHS saying how important and cherished it is after over a decade of underfunding, cutting the number of beds and nurses, selling off to private interests and slagging it off as a wasteful bureaucratic mess. I read that the increases to NHS funding that have been proposed are in line with what it got under Tony Blair's Labour. Certainly a step in the right direction if they do actually go through with it and ensure it goes to frontline services but the reality is all it is doing is partially reversing massive damage. Piggy backing on the feel good factor of clapping the NHS as a way to avoid scrutiny for the fact we are in such a mess because of how much they ****** it over is highly cynical and I do hope the government get taken to task for that.

 

[ncurd]

You realise the main reason we haven't been able to successfully ramp up testing is because of cost efficiency savings over the past 8 years? Some of the stuff lab people stuff have been posting is downright depressing. Being fiscally conservative has its price and usually that price is having the capacity to deal with a crisis. The NHS is also wonderfully efficient and has been a very long time if consider it's spending Vs the USA on individuals.

It needs vastly more resources and you only have to speak to anyone who works in it before now to explain why they need help and where the shortcomings are. The same is with PPE we weren't able to ramp up in a crisis.

There are a lot parralles with the recent wars in a middle East. Where underfunding in some areas led to the troops having insufficient equipment meaning Urgent Operational Requirements had to go out for latest and new equipment rapidly and business like those I use to work for could charge the earth.



On clap for carers it's always something that never sits quite right by me. A bit like our poppy festish every time remembrance day comes around (I should note when I say this I do buy a poppy every year, wear it on the 11th and rememberance Sunday and observb silences). The first was a great spontaneous thing and I think it showed a lot of respect that wasn't readily apparent there. Now it's a televised thing with staff going outside to clap themselves and police cars driving to hospitals to put sirens on and stuff.

It's when it goes from a nice thing to one where society expects you to act it a certain way regardless and if you don't there's something wrong with you. That kind of thing I'm never really on board for.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

The clapping is fine. It's just showing a little appreciation for the front line staff who have been working under incredible pressure often without the right kit and literally putting their lives on the line to help the likes of you and me if we need it. It's a small gesture but one that seems to be appreciated by those it is aimed at.

When things have returned to something like normal the fur is really going to fly in all kinds of directions. Expect heavy fire to be turned on China where this originated and who have just announced that they understated their deaths by 50%.

Trump should a massive kicking for his inactions and the rubbish he's been spouting. Hopefully that will come at the hands of the electorate and he'll just vanish.

Over here, Johnson could well be in a lot of trouble when the drains are pulled up and the personal goodwill towards him fades. Slow off the mark and the folly of getting rid of a lot of grown ups and surrounding himself with inexperienced yes men has been brutally exposed. Sunak excepted, but in many respects what he's done so far has been the easy part, the recovery will be difficult and take years.

Everyone involved in this has made mistakes, but at least Macron has been adult enough to publicly apologise for his government being insufficiently prepared. And he also gets credit for questioning China's handling in the early days.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

This might be a bit of a disliked comment, but is anyone else getting sick of the clapping for the NHS and the endless amount of people, what I would call virtue signalling, by doing fundraising for the NHS and charities?

While Captain Moore is a fantastic individual for doing his fundraising, but I am more disgusted that it has come to this - namely a 99 year old man doing laps in his garden to help fund the NHS.

I get looked down on by people I know for not clapping for the NHS, but those same people who clap for the NHS also vote Conservative. It just boggles my mind.

Is there any similar clapping for key workers in other countries?

yes, I have seen the clapping was also done in Italy and Spain.

Amongst all the drudgery the Captain Moore story is a feel good one. Yeah £17m and counting is a small drop in the Ocean of what the NHS needs for PPE, ventilators and underpaying NHS staff at this time and doesn't excuse the Government's lack of funding for years.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I thought the clapping was a good idea on the first night - didn't realise it was a weekly thing.
Not that fussed either way but I don't(/my dog doesn't) like the fireworks people are setting off, I also don't like the hypocrisy of my heavily tory neighbours out in the front garden banging pots and pans while gleefully voting for our vile MP.