[COVID-19] General Discussion

[Which Tyler]

Tom Kerridge makes a good point. Rishi has been conspicuously absent recently:

Rishi's on holiday a work trip to his holiday home in Santa Monica California

Rishi Sunak blasted for trip to California while UK pubs plunge into crisis

Industry chiefs and unions blasted the Chancellor for failing to announce a package of support for the hospitality sector after health chiefs warned the public to cut back on socialising amid Omicron fears

www.mirror.co.uk

 

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[ncurd]

Rishi's on holiday a work trip to his holiday home in Santa Monica California

Rishi Sunak blasted for trip to California while UK pubs plunge into crisis

Industry chiefs and unions blasted the Chancellor for failing to announce a package of support for the hospitality sector after health chiefs warned the public to cut back on socialising amid Omicron fears

www.mirror.co.uk

Make sure the Johnson **** doesn't fling onto him as well looking like Truss will be his biggest contender for the top job.

 

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Omicron variant estimated to have an R value of between 3-5. So my understanding is that for each person infected they can infect 3-5 other peeps, who then each go onto infect 3-5 peeps and so on.

 

[Which Tyler]

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[McTallshort]

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Glad elected members of Parliament are complete experts on everything and don't need the advice of doctors, scientists, Generals etc

 

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88,376 recorded cases.

 

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Boris Johnson joined No 10 pizza party during May 2020 lockdown, say sources

Exclusive: Claims raise questions on whether there was rule-flouting culture over number of months

www.theguardian.com

 

[TRF_Olyy]

88,376 recorded cases.

20k more than previous highest day - that's genuinely insane

Be interesting (if that's the word) to see the deaths and hospitalisations over the next few weeks - slight bump in hospitalisations (but usually they're on a 10 day buffer, I think?)

Deaths still low (146, down 19 from previous day) but then there's the buffer on top of the hospital buffer

 

[RedruthRFC]

20k more than previous highest day - that's genuinely insane

Given what we're been told about the doubling time, it seems surprising it's not higher, although as it's exponential, I suppose more of the doubling of yesterday's figure. It looks like the daily figure is all set to bear less and less relation to reality as the testing system fails again and people who can't afford to self isolate accelerate the spread of omicron.

 

[McTallshort]

Only 100k cases in total in China...

 

[RedruthRFC]

Only 100k cases in total in China...

Lol, I nearly missed the sarcasm and bit there!

 

[Reiser99]

20k more than previous highest day - that's genuinely insane

Be interesting (if that's the word) to see the deaths and hospitalisations over the next few weeks - slight bump in hospitalisations (but usually they're on a 10 day buffer, I think?)

Deaths still low (146, down 19 from previous day) but then there's the buffer on top of the hospital buffer

Also the issue is not just covid deaths. How many people are suffering or dying from other conditions, illnesses or accidents because the NHS is overwhelmed. Some people have already put off treatment for 2 years. Getting treatment is not something you can put off indefinitely.

On top how many people will be left with long covid symptoms. It's still not fully understood and the government just saying most people get a mild illness and recover makes a mockery of the fact that some people still suffer 2 years after getting covid. My aunt has been able to smell and taste properly since spring 2019.

 

[Which Tyler]

Glad elected members of Parliament are complete experts on everything and don't need the advice of doctors, scientists, Generals etc

No 10 slaps down Tory MP over ‘public health socialist state’ tweet

Joy Morrissey criticised ‘unelected public health spokesperson’ after Chris Whitty’s advice on socialising

www.theguardian.com

 

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20k more than previous highest day - that's genuinely insane Be interesting (if that's the word) to see the deaths and hospitalisations over the next few weeks - slight bump in hospitalisations (but usually they're on a 10 day buffer, I think?) Deaths still low (146, down 19 from previous day) but then there's the buffer on top of the hospital buffer

Yeh there is a lag still between cases and hospitalisations/deaths from what Whitty said. So looking at post Xmas and new year for any reflection of the current cases in hospitalisation/death figures.

I think there's this perception in the public that peeps get sick and those serious enough get hospitalised straight away. When it's more like get symptoms, test positive, and if it is worse than mild/moderate then over the next couple of weeks symptoms get worse until breathing becomes more difficult/can't walk distances, then get admitted to hospital, and if it deteriorates even further after that that's when serious cases get admitted to ICUs/need ventilation (at about 900 per UKHSA atm). And how that is how shows up in hospitalisation figures.

Plus Boosters, as I understand it, still take up to 2 weeks to get to their optimum level. So this mad rush to offer all over 18s one won't fully have an effect on the figures because peeps just have not been given enough time to have their boosters take full effect.

No 10 slaps down Tory MP over ‘public health socialist state’ tweet

Joy Morrissey criticised ‘unelected public health spokesperson’ after Chris Whitty’s advice on socialising

www.theguardian.com

Accusing Whitty as an "unelected public health spokesperson" who should defer to the PM was a bit rich when Bojo's credibility has been torn to shreds over this and he was constantly deferring or I would say "hiding" behind Whitty during that Q and A when he couldn't answer or didn't want to hint at going into another lockdown.

 

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Have I got Covid, a bad cold or something else?

What are the new Covid symptoms, and when should I stay at home?

www.bbc.co.uk

Pretty much updating the Govt's symptoms list per Covid 19 Zoe app, the former has been criticised as still showing the symptoms list of the original strain.

 

[ncurd]

If we have any London folks

 

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If we have any London folks

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Yeh avoiding London atm.

But I think that shows how much Omicron has taken over as the dominant strain, but both still could be circulating until Omicron completely takes over.

That's the other thing the Epidemiologist on bbc breakfast news was saying: it is possible to catch both strains. Currently unless those testing positive have their sample sent to a lab where they can test for omicron then no way of knowing which strain they have caught.

 

[saulan]

If we have any London folks

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It's been pretty rampant here in London, at least in my circles. Both mine and my girlfriend's companies have been hit by quite a number of cases. We have completely stopped seeing people now to avoid it so that we can safely see family over Christmas.

Some colleagues are also South African and have already headed back to South Africa for a longer break. Given the weather and the lack of many indoor only gatherings and minimal public transport they'd use, they're ironically in a better position there to dodge it (ironic given all the red list at the start of the month).

 

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Why a UK Omicron wave is dangerous – even if we see mostly mild cases

Analysis: If the spread continues at this rate, a small proportion of Covid hospitalisations is a serious matter

www.theguardian.com