Argentina - World Cup 2015 Discussion Thread

[Jaguares]

Pumas XV vs Namibia:



Pumas Squad vs French Barbarians:

 

[Jaguares]

Bad news for the Pumas:

Manuel Montero is broke the cruciate ligaments and is ruled out for TRC and WC

 

[Horacito]

Juan Figallo injured, apparently torn ACL, but not definitive.

Edit: Two injuries in practices, dammit, how the heck do they practice? Ridiculous.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Wow not exactly small names either.

Have booked tickets to watch the Ayerza testimonial, Leicester Tigers v Argentina can't wait.

Surprised Camacho is in the squad hopefully he will be fit.

 

[Horacito]

I've read Camacho is in. He was the long waited comeback along with Figallo.

Which means: he's getting an injury while walking from the hotel to the pitch.

 

[Horacito]

Figallo is out for world cup. Probably out of Pumas forever.

Agustín Pichot said that is logical to give preference to players who play super rugby with the franchise, which means Bosch, Hernández and all of those who stay in Europe are virtually out of the team.

I don't really agree, to begin with, because that means argentina has basically the national team on super rugby. Ain't that a little disadvantage for the rest? I know, experience and so, but what if the AB' just made a team with Carter Nonu McCaw and so? I think they will be probably a bit more forgiving the first years.

About Figallo: we were able to substitute him pretty dicently, so ok. But he's so good... dammit.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

So Ayerza all season long!!!!!!!

 

[Jaguares]

The Pumas squad for the NZ trip:

* Horacio Agulla
* Matías Alemanno
* Marcos Ayerza
* Marcelo Bosch
* Manuel Carizza
* Santiago Cordero
* Agustín Creevy
* Tomás Cubelli
* Jerónimo De la Fuente
* Matías Díaz
* Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe
* Lucas González Amorosino
* Santiago González Iglesias
* Ramiro Herrera
* Juan Imhoff
* Facundo Isa
* Martín Landajo
* Juan Manuel Leguizamón
* Benjamin Macome
* Julián Montoya
* Matías Moroni
* Lucas Noguera
* Javier Ortega Desio
* Guido Petti Pagadizabal
* Nicolás Sánchez
* Juan Pablo Socino
* Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
* Joaquín Tuculet

 

[Horacito]

I haven't seen Díaz play consistently, only a couple of times. How is he? He seems to be a monster at scrum.

Somebody said to me Rodrigo Roncero quality player.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Any idea what the likely 23 is?

 

[Jaguares]

Any idea what the likely 23 is?

I'm not sure, maybe:

1- Marcos Ayerza
2- Agustin Creevy (c)
3- Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
4- Guido Petti
5- Manuel Carizza
6- Fernandez Lobbe
7- Javier Ortega Desio
8- Juan Leguizamon
9- Tomas Cubelli
10 Nicolas Sanchez
11- Horacio Agulla
12- Jerónimo De la Fuente
13- Marcelo Bosch
14- Juan Imhoff
15- Joaquin Tuculet

16- Julián Montoya
17- Matias Diaz
18- Ramiro Herrera
19 -Matías Alemanno
20- Facundo Isa
21- Martin Landajo
22- Santiago González Iglesias
23- Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino

 

[Horacito]

Ramiro Herrera needs surgery and it's doubt for WC.

Orlandi IN.

Great: Herrera Figallo out, we are going to play with our substitute for the substitute against the boks.

 

[Mcfadden]

Without knowing much about the Argentina players individually, how confident would you guys be with scrummaging now that Ramiro Herrera is out?

 

[Horacito]

Orlandi... pff. I don't know, he`s not bad, but not nearly as good as the other ones. I mean, scrum will be good enough, bad now we need more.

 

[Horacito]

Kids, we already have the starting line up for this saturday's test match:

1 Horacio Agulla Bath URBA Wing / Centro

2 Matías Alemanno UAR Cordobesa Segunda Línea

3 Marcos Ayerza Leicester Tigers URBA Pilar

4 Marcelo Bosch Saracens URBA Centro

5 Santiago Cordero UAR URBA wing

6 Agustín Creevy Libre URBA Hooker

7 Tomás Cubelli UAR URBA Medio Scrum

8 Matías Díaz UAR Cuyo Pilar

9 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe Toulon URBA Tercera Línea

10 Lucas González Amorosino Libre URBA Fullback / Wing

11 Santiago González Iglesias UAR URBA Apertura / Centro

12 Juan Martín Hernández Libre URBA Apertura / Centro

13 Facundo Isa UAR Santiagueña Tercera Línea

14 Juan Imhoff Racing Metro Rosario Wing

15 Martín Landajo UAR URBA Medio Scrum

16 Tomás Lavanini Libre URBA Segunda Línea

17 Juan Manuel Leguizamón Libre Santiagueña Tercera Línea

18 Tomás Lezana UAR Santiagueña Tercera Línea

19 Benjamín Macome Bayonne Tucumán Segunda / Tercera Línea

20 Pablo Matera UAR URBA Tercera Línea

21 Julián Montoya UAR URBA Hooker

22 Lucas Noguera UAR Tucumán Pilar

23 Matías Moroni UAR URBA Centro

24 Javier Ortega Desio UAR Entrerriana Tercera Línea

25 Juan Pablo Orlandi Libre Cuyo Pilar

26 Guido Petti Pagadizabal UAR URBA Segunda Línea

27 Nicolás Sanchez Libre Tucumán Apertura

28 Leonardo Senatore Libre Rosario Octavo

29 Juan Pablo Socino Newcastle URBA Centro

30 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro Libre Mar del Plata Pilar

31 Joaquín Tuculet Libre URBA Fullback

The early 20 kids and Fernández Lobbe.

 

[Horacito]

Matías Alemanno UAR Segunda línea
Horacio Agulla Bath Wing / Centro
Marcos Ayerza Leicester Pilar
Marcelo Bosch Saracens Centro
Santiago Cordero UAR Wing / Full back
Agustín Creevy UAR Hooker
Tomás Cubelli UAR Medio scrum
Jerónimo de la Fuente UAR Centro
Matías Díaz UAR Pilar
Juan Fernández Lobbe Toulon Tercera línea
Mariano Galarza Gloucester Segunda línea
Lucas González A. Libre Full back / Wing
Santiago G. Iglesias UAR Centro / Apertura
Ramiro Herrera UAR Pilar
Juan Imhoff Racing Metro Wing
Facundo Isa UAR Tercera línea
Martín Landajo UAR Medio scrum
Tomás Lavanini UAR Segunda línea
Juan Leguizamón Libre Tercera línea
Juan Martín Hernández Libre Apertura / Centro
Pablo Matera UAR Tercera línea
Julián Montoya UAR Hooker
Matías Moroni UAR Centro
Lucas Noguera Paz UAR Pilar
Javier Ortega Desio UAR Tercera línea
Juan Pablo Socino Newcastle Apertura / Centro
Guido Petti UAR Segunda línea
Leonardo Senatore Libre Tercera línea
Nicolás Sánchez UAR Apertura
Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro UAR Pilar
Joaquín Tuculet UAR Full back

That's the list. We had it a few days ago and I expected somebody to put it. Anyway.

Camacho out: Mistake. Insulting.
In the other hand: 50 min in two years.... to be replaced by Cordero. The problem is: Cordero is demonstrating that he's great even in international level.

Macome: Our third row is actually pretty amazing these days, I get it.

Carizza: there's no need to talk about it.

Orlandi: I thought he played rather well.

Lezana: I get that. Agreed.

Still, there are questions to be asked: why didn't Urdapilleta appeared on the list to, at least, play some international level rugby? A top 14 player elected to be the ideal fly half of the competition isn't good enough over Juan Martín Hernández when Sánchez plays horrible?

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

A good squad despite Figallo and others missing out. All test sides will be without a number of their best sadly, that's just the reality of modern rugby.

Best of luck and top your pool!

 

[Horacito]

Thanks!

Matías Díaz out of WC due to heart condition.

6/7 injuried players and counting.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Los Pumas squad to face Leicester Tigers (Saturday 5th September, 3 PM BST, Welford Road)

Los Pumas
15 Joaquín Tuculet
14 Santiago Cordero
13 Marcelo Bosch
12 Juan Martín Hernández
11 Juan Imhoff
10 Nicolás Sánchez
9 Tomás Cubelli (c)
1 Marcos Ayerza
2 Julián Montoya
3 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
4 Guido Petti Pagadizabal
5 Tomás Lavanini
6 Javier Ortega Desio
7 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe
8 Facundo Isa

Replacements
16 Lucas Noguera
17 Juan Pablo Orlandi
18 Matías Alemanno
19 Mariano Galarza
20 Juan Manuel Leguizamón
21 Martín Landajo
22 Santiago González Iglesias
23 Lucas González Amorosino
24 Leonardo Senatore
25 Pablo Matera
26 Jerónimo de la Fuente
27 Matías Moroni
28 Juan Pablo Socino
29 Horacio Agulla

Tigers are going to get butt hurted.

Team not up yet.

 

[Jaguares]

So Marcos Ayerza is going to play the first half for the Pumas and the second half for the Tigers, right?