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Which was straight from the mouth of Cum****.
Admin which case, surely they'd proceed to the LD+SNP proposal, with the same amendments attached, that the government wouldn't be able to pull.
Either way, sound promising that extending the franchise seems more realistic than I had thought. Though I do wonder if there would be enough time to extend the francha AND hold the election before Christmas - January would seem more realistic for that.
Election will go ahead as the two amendments about who can vote weren't selected. Deputy speaker Lindsay Hoyle was choosing. Not sure why Bercow isn't, but Hoyle has thrown his hat in the ring for speaker, so this is seen as a chance to win some conservative back bench votes when they choose the next speaker. Glad to see self-serving politics is alive and kicking.
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Confirmed election on Thursday 12th December.
Time to wheel out the NHS battle bus and spread more misinformation.
Time to wheel out the NHS battle bus and spread more misinformation.
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Registered EU citizens can vote.
Not in a general election apparently (nor were they allowed to in the referendum).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote#United_Kingdom
The amendment wasn't selected but was to enfranchise EU citizens with settled status. Which IMHO shouldn't be controversial but can't let a bunch of people vote who have settled here that are likely to be pro-Remain vote can we?
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Thanks for the info...what makes you think Eastern Europeans would be pro remain? Genuine question.
Well I wasn't referring to just Eastern European's but European's (not including Britsh) as a whole.
As we've noted before you have far greater insight into that community than I do. However its fair to assume they'd have a % to remain although I'd expect some leaver among them and probably higher than expected.
I can't find any polling data on it but if Remain parties want to enfranchise european citizens and leave parties don't its safe to guess what their internal polling is telling them.
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Think you might be right in regards EU citizens from none former Eastern bloc countries as they tend to be very pro EU but Eastern Europeans tend to be a bit more right wing (look at their Governments) so I dont think its quite as clear cut. After I replied to you I asked on of my Supervisors who is Romanian what would he vote for in a referendum and he said leave but with a deal (no deal wouldn't be helpful for family visits etc).
Personally if you have lived in the UK for a set number of years and have paid tax for a certain period of that time then you absolutely should be able to vote in a general election and any referendum (although I wouldnt want another referendum while I am alive)
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Only in locals and European elections - not generals
In my experience the Eastern Europeans are often rather Eurosceptic, but still see it as much better to be inside than outside; especially those who've settled here (so those with settled status). Yes, they're more natural tory voters aside from Brexit, but the ones I know are generaly (not exclusively) very much in favour of remain.
I'm sure they exist, but I've yet to meet a Western European immigrant who's pro-brexit, regardless of where they stand on the left/right spectrum (which we know is a pretty poor indicator of stance on Brexit).
Of course, the above is all "tendencies" and "in my experience". That experience includes plenty of immigrants; from both eastern and western (though more of the latter) - but is still a small, and partly self-selecting circle.
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The SNP are in a pretty healthy position heading into this election. The Scottish Tories have lost their popular leader Ruth Davidson and it is widely expected that the SNP will hammer Boris (who is the kind of nasty Etonian toff despised north of the border) on the campaign trail as a way of gaining votes.
It's interesting that they claim to want to remain in the EU but their end game is independence and for that to happen it's actually in their interests for Brexit to be delivered which they can then claim to be a fundamental change of circumstances since Indyref#1. If they take seats away from the Tories in December then they can also claim this to be a mandate from the people for independence. Swinson being Scottish may help the LDs in one or two marginal seats but reports seem to suggest the Tories will lose most of their seats which they'll have to make up for south of the border. Farage needn't even bother.
It's interesting that they claim to want to remain in the EU but their end game is independence and for that to happen it's actually in their interests for Brexit to be delivered which they can then claim to be a fundamental change of circumstances since Indyref#1. If they take seats away from the Tories in December then they can also claim this to be a mandate from the people for independence. Swinson being Scottish may help the LDs in one or two marginal seats but reports seem to suggest the Tories will lose most of their seats which they'll have to make up for south of the border. Farage needn't even bother.
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My ex girlfriend is Dutch and she was adamant she would have voted for Brexit if she could or Nexit if a vote was held in the Netherlands. Maybe it's a good thing she's my ex if she was gravitating towards their far right movement. Other EU countries will think twice about holding EU referendums after seeing the divisive sh1tshow in the UK these past three years.
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Ruth Davidson was able to sell the union ticket very well in the last election and it appealed to Scots who are sick of the constant talk of Independence Referendums. Regards the Eton toff bit: don't forget Scotland has many rich land owners who employ lots of people in the local areas, its also very reliant and sports such as shooting, stalking and fishing which again brings lots of money in from rich Eton types. I think the last election and the first (of many no doubt) independence referendums showed the SNP is by no means secure in its objectives and they have not covered themselves in glory while being the major power in the Scottish parliament.
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Used to work with a few Romanians around the time of the initial vote, they said that while they lived in Ireland it was preferable for both countries to be in the EU but if/when they moved back home they wanted out.
Their reasoning wasn't outstanding though, they felt as if free movement was massively hindering Romanian companies, or companies in general from staying or setting up in Romania. It seemed to me at the time, and moreso in hindsight, that they thought the negative aspects of being part of the Union would go away and the positive aspects would remain were they to leave. A bit like the UK really, we didn't keep in touch so no idea how they'd think know in reflection of how badly Brexit has gone.
Their reasoning wasn't outstanding though, they felt as if free movement was massively hindering Romanian companies, or companies in general from staying or setting up in Romania. It seemed to me at the time, and moreso in hindsight, that they thought the negative aspects of being part of the Union would go away and the positive aspects would remain were they to leave. A bit like the UK really, we didn't keep in touch so no idea how they'd think know in reflection of how badly Brexit has gone.
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There are rich landowners but their votes (a few thousand?) will pale into insignificance when compared with the multitude of buckfast drinking deep fried mars bar eating Tory toff haters whose votes will count for a lot more. Ruth was quite smart stepping down when she did as she won't own the losses. She probably saw this coming as soon as BoJo won the leadership race.
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Hmmm - election on Thursday the 12th
Which means we'll find out the results on Friday 13th...
What could possibly go wrong?
Which means we'll find out the results on Friday 13th...
What could possibly go wrong?
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Jo Swinson being taken apart by Andrew Neil.
Moreso than any other politician? Genuine question I can't see anything about it online and whenever Farron or Cable had a car crash I was certainly aware of it.
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