Yeah unless you can find evidence they'll your just talking fantasy pipe dreams.
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The obvious solution is a neutral technocratic non-political figure leading any post-Boris government, but that wont happen in the UK as the public wont tolerate a non-elected PM, unless its Brown, May or Boris of course.
Basically we are exactly where we were yesterday, Corbyn doesn't have the numbers. Unless some CHUK and Independent Tories say they will abstain (which they've shown no public indication they will do so) the LD's hold zero power.
And everything beyond that is hypotheticals and posturing.
And everything beyond that is hypotheticals and posturing.
Of course if Corbyn had the numbers minus the LDs he could call a VONC tommorow and hold a confidence vote in himself immediately after.
The LDs then either vote for him or risk being the deciding factor, if they are the deciding factor their reputation for anti-Brexit will be destroyed and well as most of their members/supporters leaving in their droves. They'll then have to vote for him to show they will stop Brexit at any cost.
Major political victory for Corbyn either way.....so why doesn't he do it?
I think Swinson could be more consolatory in tone. Saying they would vote Corbyn in of the numbers could be proved. But also what has Corbyn moved on? So far the only people in this entire Brexit debacle who have actually shown willingness to work with others are the SNP.
The LDs then either vote for him or risk being the deciding factor, if they are the deciding factor their reputation for anti-Brexit will be destroyed and well as most of their members/supporters leaving in their droves. They'll then have to vote for him to show they will stop Brexit at any cost.
Major political victory for Corbyn either way.....so why doesn't he do it?
I think Swinson could be more consolatory in tone. Saying they would vote Corbyn in of the numbers could be proved. But also what has Corbyn moved on? So far the only people in this entire Brexit debacle who have actually shown willingness to work with others are the SNP.
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I don't blame Swinson for not openly backing Corbyn at this stage. She is a newly elected party leader and has to play tough at the beginning of her tenure to show she's no pushover and is not to be F'd with. If she's going to cave and back him it'll be done at the last minute as an absolute last resort as a means of stopping No Deal. Corbyn behaved like an idiotic spoilt kid during the cross party talks in an attempt to get May's deal through several months ago. He walked out of talks at the beginning when he found out Chuka Umunna was attending. He's a useless F'ing idiot.
Corbyn might have party membership support but he doesn't have the same level of support amongst his own MPs and this is far more relevant in the context of leading a temporary unity Government.
I read the other day that Bercow was an option to lead an interim unity Government. Technically he'd still be an MP after he stands down as Speaker on 31 October. He certainly has the ego for the gig.
Corbyn might have party membership support but he doesn't have the same level of support amongst his own MPs and this is far more relevant in the context of leading a temporary unity Government.
I read the other day that Bercow was an option to lead an interim unity Government. Technically he'd still be an MP after he stands down as Speaker on 31 October. He certainly has the ego for the gig.
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The Peach Cockwomble seems to be feeling rattled. He's always been unhinged, but this is full-on drooling with his underpants on his head!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49914704
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49914704
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BoJo held a reception with the DUP after the Tory conference and it was disgusting.
Shouts of 'No Surrender' from the crowd and when he was speaking about Corbyn an individual shouted 'traitors gate' and 'a noose'. Additionally when he said 'humbug' during the event there was clear laughter from the crowd, many see it as a reference he his comments concerning MPs safety.
(Apologies it is a Daily Mail link)
https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...ed-rafters-DUP-activists-Tory-conference.html
More evidence that the DUP are scumbags
Shouts of 'No Surrender' from the crowd and when he was speaking about Corbyn an individual shouted 'traitors gate' and 'a noose'. Additionally when he said 'humbug' during the event there was clear laughter from the crowd, many see it as a reference he his comments concerning MPs safety.
(Apologies it is a Daily Mail link)
https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...ed-rafters-DUP-activists-Tory-conference.html
More evidence that the DUP are scumbags
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When I remember - I'm a fan of https://donotlink.it/ - who can give you a tiny.url type link, that allows people to see your source if you wish, but doesn't show up a link to the site, boosting their google rankings and advertising revenues.
Elsewhere (Satire warning):
https://newsthump.com/2019/10/02/go...oesnt-exist-when-you-want-frictionless-trade/
Government proposes Schrodingers Irish Border, which exists when you want sovereignty and doesn't exist when you want frictionless trade
The Irish border will exist in multiple uncertain states in which it both exists and doesn't exist at the same time depending on what you want right this second, according to proposals unveiled today.
Two borders will coexist in a state of quantum superposition; one which prevents undesirables and European laws from crossing, and another which is highly permeable to cheap imports.
Despite seeming internally contradictory, the Department for Exiting the EU insist that quantum events have been observed at the Planck scale and can exist for a fraction of a second, so permanently applying it to the Irish border is no more ridiculous than anything else they've suggested.
The government expects the suggestion to be warmly received by the European Union, which similarly exists in two states at once depending on who is speaking; one where it is so weak it desperately needs British money and another where it is powerful enough to bully Britain.
"The border would exist in a theoretical state which is only resolved when you look at it," a spokesman told us. "So if you're driving a lorry load of car parts, for example, the border exists as a wave, as we wave you through.
"But if you're a migrant fruit picker hoping to take a cash-in-hand job it resolves as a particle which has enough volume, density and mass as is required to stop you passing. Simple!
"Also, at high energy states, the Irish border can jump to a higher shell at Drogheda, whilst at lower energies it will manifest in the Irish sea."
"What do Michael Gove and an electron have in common?" he added.
"They both interfere with themselves when nobody is looking."
So there is no hard border, except to make sure those nasty immigrants aren't getting in. Sounds like normal Tory policy.
Edit: Having said that, it was over a year ago, so no evidence yet it's Tory policy and nothing more than JRM's right wing hopes.
Fair enough should of done due diligence myself.
TBH I have an issue with a grown adult saying "it can just be like the troubles" and ever taking their opinion.
Oh I completely agree he's a twat.
If the indeps/CHUK don't support Corbyn, but don't vote against - the Lim Dems hold the balance of power.
Given most of them want an extension, but aren't yet at the point of supporting Corbyn to get one - they will not vote for, but are extremely unlikely to vote against.
That is utterly utterly true and something you cannot credibly dispute.
Of course, doesn't fit your agenda so you'll continue to back self-centred Jo.
Evidence being the numbers in parliament.
I know the truth can put us in uncomfortable positions some times, but it is what it is.
Yes and IF 100% of the Tories MPs vote to put Corbyn in power he'll also win.
Look I can make up scenarios that don't fit any statement those MP's has ever made to fit my narrative as well!
I know what if the SF take up their oath's and vote as well! I mean they've said they won't but they could!
Your entire premise is built on hypotheticals and not only can be 'credibly disputed' but laughed of as 'not having a ducking clue'.
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Can anyone get behind the paywall on this - not sure I believe the headline:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...hnson-and-grant-a-brexit-extension-2vg9g7b30?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...hnson-and-grant-a-brexit-extension-2vg9g7b30?
No, its not coming up on my twitter feed either. So I think its probably as credible as the news stories suggesting the Queen would sack Johnson last week or Amiga's fantasy politics.
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Agreed; that if something seems too good to be true; or simply fails the sniff test, then I always await a 2nd outlet before taking it as true.
Mind, I usually do that, even if it isn't too good to be true, and does pass the sniff test.
Mind, I usually do that, even if it isn't too good to be true, and does pass the sniff test.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics...dy_to_bypass_boris_johnson_and_grant/f296740/
Bit nothingy, basically just saying that it doesn't need to directly come from BoJo
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