A Political Thread

[McTallshort]

Was just on the radio that JRM is making a push to get May booted out

And I suppose he wants to take May's job if she does? Or will he like many others just sit on the sidelines passing judgement?

 

[McTallshort]

Was just on the radio that JRM is making a push to get May booted out

And I suppose he wants to take May's job if she does? Or will he like many others just sit on the sidelines passing judgement?

Aye I've noted most Corbynites I know are extremely subdued now mainly because they are anti-Bexit and they know they've not been represented.

If Labour want a GE they need to come out hard as 'we'd stop Brexit'. They'd probably do exceptionally but Corbyn doesn't want that.

Labour will never come out as we will stop Brexit when its leader has always wanted the UK to leave the EU/EEC. Corbyn has always stood by his principles and he will never support a capitalist trading block.

The one party who could benefit from all of this are the Lib Dems who have always been pro EU and could look at boosting their support massively.

 

[Dai Yorkshire]

I've got the EU girlfriend - how quickly can weddings be arranged? And how long does it take to convince a girlfriend to become a wife

years and years, or perhaps when you go deaf your ears can hear no more

 

[General Melchett]

If Labour had the same leadership election rules as the Tories then it would be relatively easy to oust Corbyn and replace him with an anti-Brexit centre left candidate who would stand a very good chance of toppling the Tories and stopping Brexit.

Most Labour MPs want to get rid of Corbyn but they can't because he still has the support of clueless party members who get to decide who the leader is. It's a bit like letting football or rugby fans decide who gets to become manager or head coach. There's a reason why this doesn't happen.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aye I've noted most Corbynites I know are extremely subdued now mainly because they are anti-Bexit and they know they've not been represented.

Lib dems and student fees
Labour and Brexit

I know we have an increasingly aging population but parties really have no idea how to get young people interested/keep them (apart from the Tories who just round up all private school kids who vote for who mummy and daddy did and will never stray)

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Most betting sites have Corbyn as favourite to be next PM followed by Boris and Raab.

I have a sneaky feeling that Gove might just be playing a smart game, but all of them just make me want to emigrate to Canada.

 

[Which Tyler]

Have I got this process right (specifically for the Tories)?

JRM needs 48 letters expressing no confidence to force a vote in May.

IF he gets that, then he needs 150 votes to remove her - and that's just a vote for May or No May.

IF she loses, then she can't stand, and they need a volunteer to actually put their head above the parapet.



If I've got that right, I would expect him to get the 48 required; but not the 150 - which makes May safe from challenge for 12 months.

However, if she loses (or calls it quits) in the first round; I would love it if essentially nobody puts their hands up to take the top job (unlikely whilst BoJo and Gove still exist, but hey). What would happen then? presumably Parliament has fallen apart and either Corbyn is asked to form a minority government, or a general election is forced - without a Tory leader...

TBH, if nobody puts their hand up, I can see either Ken Clarke "taking one for the team" and stepping into the leadership role as the only candidate - revoking Art 50 and retiring. I can also see Johnson stepping up as the only candidate; crashing out with no deal; affirming his place in the history books, and brazening it out.

 

[General Melchett]

Most betting sites have Corbyn as favourite to be next PM followed by Boris and Raab.

I have a sneaky feeling that Gove might just be playing a smart game, but all of them just make me want to emigrate to Canada.

Agreed on Gove - not resigning was the smart thing to do as it would have looked like he was merely following Raab and others and it keeps him onside with the May'ites who will have a big say in a leadership contest.

Keep an eye out for Jeremy Hunt. Keeping a low profile at the moment (also the smart thing to do) but will no doubt emerge if there is a hint of a leadership contest. I can see the May'ites backing him with him emerging as the winner. I don't see BoJo or JRM getting enough support.

Being invaded by Germany or Russia would be one simple way of putting us out of our misery if emigration isn't an option.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Have I got this process right (specifically for the Tories)?

JRM needs 48 letters expressing no confidence to force a vote in May.

IF he gets that, then he needs 150 votes to remove her - and that's just a vote for May or No May.

IF she loses, then she can't stand, and they need a volunteer to actually put their head above the parapet.



If I've got that right, I would expect him to get the 48 required; but not the 150 - which makes May safe from challenge for 12 months.

However, if she loses (or calls it quits) in the first round; I would love it if essentially nobody puts their hands up to take the top job (unlikely whilst BoJo and Gove still exist, but hey). What would happen then? presumably Parliament has fallen apart and either Corbyn is asked to form a minority government, or a general election is forced - without a Tory leader...

TBH, if nobody puts their hand up, I can see either Ken Clarke "taking one for the team" and stepping into the leadership role as the only candidate - revoking Art 50 and retiring. I can also see Johnson stepping up as the only candidate; crashing out with no deal; affirming his place in the history books, and brazening it out.

I think you have - 159, half the Tory MPs, would be required. Have read that around 40 letters are believed to have gone in.

Brexit may be toxic, but should she go there'll be plenty of candidates to replace her. Not saying they'll necessarily be credible or an upgrade mind.....

Genuinely have no clue how this will play out or who will be leading the country come March. Its morbidly fascinating.

 

[Amiga500]

Corbyn now saying Labour are going to push for a General Election or, failing that, a Peoples Vote is on the table

If Jezza came out and said - "any deal we negotiate will be put before the people in a referendum so they can decide whether to proceed or not" - then I reckon labour would likely get a sizeable majority.

 

[General Melchett]

It's very complicated because she could, in theory, be safe for 12 months if she wins the confidence vote but it's also widely accepted that she'll have to resign if she can't get her Brexit deal through Parliament, which at this point looks likely.

 

[Groundhog]

And I suppose he wants to take May's job if she does? Or will he like many others just sit on the sidelines passing judgement?

He was asked yesterday and he said he wouldn't be looking for it! Spineless with no actual solutions like the rest of them. Just like the Brexit minister somehow didn't know about the agreed deal in advance?

 

[Amiga500]

Just like the Brexit minister somehow didn't know about the agreed deal in advance?

Yip - the man in charge of the negotiation didn't know what was being negotiated until it was presented to him by the Prime Minister.

How the f**k such incompetent (or dishonest) people can be allowed into public office is beyond me.


I'd have Jezza as PM in a heartbeat. At least you know what mistakes he makes, he's making them for the right reasons.

Power Monger May? War Monger Blair? Cash for Cronies Cameron? I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I'd kick them. They'll not even try to do right by the people.

 

[General Melchett]

If a hard Brexiteer like JRM was PM then the we'd end up crashing out with no deal because they'd never be able to negotiate a hard Brexit agreement with EU. The three options are effectively Remain, May's BRINO and No deal. If BRINO comes at a cost to jobs and the economy then what's the point of it? May as well Remain or crash out with no deal.

 

[Amiga500]

The three options are effectively Remain, May's BRINO and No deal. If BRINO comes at a cost to jobs and the economy then what's the point of it? May as well Remain or crash out with no deal.

That's pretty much the way I see it.

I'd put it as such back to the electorate.

(A) Remain.
(B) Proceed with deal.
(C) Leave with no-deal.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

He was asked yesterday and he said he wouldn't be looking for it! Spineless with no actual solutions like the rest of them. Just like the Brexit minister somehow didn't know about the agreed deal in advance?

Wasn't he also recently shocked to hear about how important the Dover-Calais crossing was to trade to the continent?

He seems almost TOO stupid.
Sacrificial lamb

 

[Amiga500]

Wasn't he also recently shocked to hear about how important the Dover-Calais crossing was to trade to the continent?

He seems almost TOO stupid.
Sacrificial lamb

His head was that far up his own arse that he couldn't see it.

 

[McTallshort]

Yip - the man in charge of the negotiation didn't know what was being negotiated until it was presented to him by the Prime Minister.

How the f**k such incompetent (or dishonest) people can be allowed into public office is beyond me.


I'd have Jezza as PM in a heartbeat. At least you know what mistakes he makes, he's making them for the right reasons.

Power Monger May? War Monger Blair? Cash for Cronies Cameron? I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I'd kick them. They'll not even try to do right by the people.

You do know Corybn is and always has been anti EU?

 

[Amiga500]

You do know Corybn is and always has been anti EU?

and?

Unlike the power mongers that you find elsewhere in politics - he seems the sort that might listen to the consensus rather than dictate over them.

 

[ncurd]

he seems the sort that might listen to the consensus rather than dictate over them.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sorry what on Earth during his entire leadership makes you think that? He's fired everyone who refuses to agree with him.