A Political Thread

[General Melchett]

The worse thing about Labour currently is that the majority of Corybn supporters in the party don't want Brexit.
It's such a crazy position for Labour.
Corbyn is marketed as the "champion of socialism", yet has a small working class support base even though he is pro brexit.
Corbyn main supporters are left wing students and 20's middle class yet they are all anti-brexit and he is the opposite.
I just don't get it, maybe it's because those supporters are desperate to be part of the 70's socialism movement and therefore desperate to cling on to the dinosaur from that time or what.

Stubbornness from Corbyn and his supporters will be the main thing that will cost them any chance of making ground on quite frankly the worse government in some time.

Voters are stupid. They just saw Corbyn as a non-establishment people's politician who was polar opposite to the right wing establishment Tory toffs who many blamed for Brexit. Many voted for him not because of his views but out of protest at the referendum result. They didn't actually examine what he stood for. Labour is crying out for a new centre left leader to save the day but the process of choosing a leader is left to the party members which means clueless plebs have too much of a say.

 

[General Melchett]

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[Leonormous Boozer]

If a vote of no confidence is called, who's gonna take over?

BoJo? Mogg? Gove?

Would rather May, and that's saying something

I think May's recent moves have been fine, what she pushed through cabinet was fine and it'll keep the peace in NI most likely, which is far higher on her list of priorities than the DUP's who'd much rather go back to a segregated two tier society. She's been dealt a **** hand and has **** all charisma but she does appear to have some knowledge of what the consequences of Brexit will be.

The rest seem to think, or more likely are spreading the lie that once out of the EU the UK will become a utopia where "we make our own laws" and "protect our poorest people", (quotes from JRM last night on Ch 4) anyone with an iota of knowledge would realise you already make your own laws and leaving the EU with a Tory government is only going to be beneficial to people on the exact opposite end of the spectrum.

I'm amazed watching all of this, it's such an omnishambles, nobody seems to have the slightest clue of what to do. I think it's the best example of referenda being a terrible political tool in the vast majority of cases, which is saying something when I come from a country who'd probably have a referendum to change the colour of the president's curtains. The fact all this started as a way for Cameron to settle a party issue when high off the back of the Scottish vote of independence is sickening.

 

[General Melchett]

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[TRF_Olyy]

Dread to think what Rees-Moggs definition of a poor person is
Someone with only a six figure trust fund?

 

[ncurd]

The fact all this started as a way for Cameron to settle a party issue when high off the back of the Scottish vote of independence is sickening.

It was also a bone to throw at the lib dems in the wake of loosing the election, he wasn't supposed to win thats when the house of cards started tumbling

 

[General Melchett]

I think May's recent moves have been fine, what she pushed through cabinet was fine and it'll keep the peace in NI most likely, which is far higher on her list of priorities than the DUP's who'd much rather go back to a segregated two tier society. She's been dealt a **** hand and has **** all charisma but she does appear to have some knowledge of what the consequences of Brexit will be.

The rest seem to think, or more likely are spreading the lie that once out of the EU the UK will become a utopia where "we make our own laws" and "protect our poorest people", (quotes from JRM last night on Ch 4) anyone with an iota of knowledge would realise you already make your own laws and leaving the EU with a Tory government is only going to be beneficial to people on the exact opposite end of the spectrum.

I'm amazed watching all of this, it's such an omnishambles, nobody seems to have the slightest clue of what to do. I think it's the best example of referenda being a terrible political tool in the vast majority of cases, which is saying something when I come from a country who'd probably have a referendum to change the colour of the president's curtains. The fact all this started as a way for Cameron to settle a party issue when high off the back of the Scottish vote of independence is sickening.

+1. We are seeing that referenda don't always solve issues. It's clear that the process was totally flawed in that people were fed BS during the campaign and were not in a position or qualified to make an informed choice. Furthermore, the leave campaigners were able to jump ship after the result and not be held to account and deliver on what they promised. Regardless of this outcome, division within the Tories will continue for years. The Tory civil war has effectively been extended and divided the country largely because of politician's personal ambitions.

 

[Which Tyler]

My girlfriend can be Irish at the low cost of €270ish... doesn't extend to me though even if we marry

No, but it would automatically grant you the right to live in Ireland - or anywhere else in the EU (were you married)

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The rest seem to think, or more likely are spreading the lie that once out of the EU the UK will become a utopia where "we make our own laws" and "protect our poorest people", (quotes from JRM last night on Ch 4) anyone with an iota of knowledge would realise you already make your own laws and leaving the EU with a Tory government is only going to be beneficial to people on the exact opposite end of the spectrum.

The only thing JRM wants to protect the poor from is from having more money and being informed. I mean who wouldn't want the archetypal Tory boy born with silver spoons stuffed in every orifice as a leader of the people?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Was just on the radio that JRM is making a push to get May booted out

 

[Which Tyler]

Was just on the radio that JRM is making a push to get May booted out

Yup - he's on tv now pulling his trigger, and encouraging his sycophants to send their letters in.

Of course, he doesn't have the courage of his convictions enough to actually throw his own name into the hat. That'd be ridiculous, his type only ever want to be the power behind the thrown - not the figurehead to be torn down and executed.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Was just on the radio that JRM is making a push to get May booted out

But he's our best winger...

 

[General Melchett]

JRM is a despicable individual. The likes of him and Farage would never have the guts to actually govern or lead a country. They are happy to gob off from the sidelines like those cowardly football pundits who are happy to slate managers but are too gutless to have a go at management themselves.

 

[Which Tyler]

JRM is a despicable individual. The likes of him and Farage would never have the guts to actually govern or lead a country. They are happy to gob off from the sidelines like those cowardly football pundits who are happy to slate managers but are too gutless to have a go at management themselves.

He's a classic Grand Vizier - he wants to be the power behind the throne, with none of the responsibilty; or fear of being deposed

 

[Groundhog]

Quite happy with how Varadkar and Coveney have gone about Brexit. In my opinion they have done themselves big favors politically going forward. It's on the U.K. to sort their dumpster fire in a way which doesn't destroy peace on this island now. Speaking of which, Jacob Rees Mogg is a prick with ears. Looks like a pedo postman Pat.

 

[General Melchett]

Postman Pat is a multi millionaire toff who won't feel any adverse effect from Brexit. He couldn't give a monkey's about the massive hit to the economy and the lost jobs. He is a nobody who is being severely pimped out by The Sun and Newscorp on YouTube and other media outlets.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Corbyn now saying Labour are going to push for a General Election or, failing that, a Peoples Vote is on the table

 

[General Melchett]

I don't see how a general election will solve the issue when there is a huge on-going civil war going on in the Tory party. It would almost make sense for them to split into two new parties, which of course won't happen. If Corbyn won he'd be found out pretty quickly as an inept PM.

We are now seeing the effects of a flawed referendum process where different versions of Brexit are being defined retrospectively.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

General Election would be bad for Labour I think

Any momentum they had before the last one has fizzled out due to their handling of Brexit, and with the way our voting system is set up I could see Tories gaining back their majority.

Labour's best opportunity is waiting for the Brexit stink to get even worse and then running a "hey at least we weren't responsible for that" campaign

 

[ncurd]

General Election would be bad for Labour I think

Any momentum they had before the last one has fizzled out due to their handling of Brexit

Aye I've noted most Corbynites I know are extremely subdued now mainly because they are anti-Bexit and they know they've not been represented.

If Labour want a GE they need to come out hard as 'we'd stop Brexit'. They'd probably do exceptionally but Corbyn doesn't want that.