A Political Thread

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Here, I'm trying to get some debate going about all this **** going on. Why is this the first time in history ye decide to focus on Ireland and not just say "oh yes, something is happening over there", not care and just begin discussing your own problems?

TBF trying to understand the DUP is something I could look into for 50 years and still not have a clue.
Although that covers pretty much N.I politics for a long long time now.

The brown stuff is about to hit the fan. If there are cabinet resignations in the next few days and the DUP don't support May then it's game over for her. You can already see the Ref#2 champions gearing up for a massive campaign.

Whats' going on with the Swedish PM stuff?

 

[General Melchett]

TBF trying to understand the DUP is something I could look into for 50 years and still not have a clue.
Although that covers pretty much N.I politics for a long long time now.



Whats' going on with the Swedish PM stuff?

If the Tories buy off the DUP yet again with more taxpayers' £ then there will be hell to pay.

Lost a vote of confidence and is now a caretaker PM until the next one is elected. Process is complex and time consuming.

 

[Reiser99]

The brown stuff is about to hit the fan. If there are cabinet resignations in the next few days and the DUP don't support May then it's game over for her. You can already see the Ref#2 champions gearing up for a massive campaign.

Well apparently all cabinet members have backed it, so either May has pulled off an incredible deal that somehow they can go along with, she has learned hypnotism or they are actually spineless cowards who think about their own careers rather than following through with what they've said in the past.

I go with number 3 personally, though 2 seems possible as well.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

TBF trying to understand the DUP is something I could look into for 50 years and still not have a clue.
Although that covers pretty much N.I politics for a long long time now.



Whats' going on with the Swedish PM stuff?

The DUP and NI are easy. The DUP will attempt to do whatever nationalists will hate the most, Sinn Fein are more or less the same although somewhat less provocatively considering what they want isn't segregationist. Both are blocking parties on either side who work towards the interest of the people in the region, they continue to get voted in though out of fear of one being in power sharing without the other.

I think the DUP have it wrong here though, they need Brexit lite, the region is almost exclusively public sector and agriculture, the EU provide far more for both than any UK government could and the harder the Brexit the worse it'll be. As a result a large proportion of Scotland and NI will want out of the Union, if one goes the other will follow and the Union will break. I hope it happens that way but most probably don't.

 

[ncurd]

The brown stuff is about to hit the fan. If there are cabinet resignations in the next few days and the DUP don't support May then it's game over for her. You can already see the Ref#2 champions gearing up for a massive campaign.

Cornyn will three line whip his party. Much like Iraq the People's vote may be hugely popular outside the Westminster ranks and cause defections on both sides towards it most MPs will vote for Brexit cause their scared shitless of the 52%. If the 48% flocked in their droves to a pro EU party we'd see an actual change of opinion but sadly that doesn't look like to happen.

 

[General Melchett]

Well apparently all cabinet members have backed it, so either May has pulled off an incredible deal that somehow they can go along with, she has learned hypnotism or they are actually spineless cowards who think about their own careers rather than following through with what they've said in the past.

I go with number 3 personally, though 2 seems possible as well.

I read that the majority backed it via collective agreement as opposed to all. Same happened at Chequers but the resignations came after they left the building. Will be an interesting 48 hours.

Edit: As I was saying....Raab out for a duck. May could be resigning before rugby starts at the weekend.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Italian government insisting on breaching debt rules with their budget as if money grows on trees. And calling journalists whores & jackals. And that's all from the more respectable party in the coalition.

On the UK personally I'm disgusted but not surprised that NI gets an infinitely better proposed deal than Scotland by staying in the single market. How the hell are companies in Scotland meant to compete with rival companies and branches in NI that will have vastly superior trading conditions? How can you have uneven business conditions in different parts of the UK?

The DUP will confirm that they are nothing about the best interests of NI when they oppose this deal.

Everything totally unpredictable because Labour's position is impenetrable.

Living in supposed "interesting times" is overrated as the self imolation of many top economies continues unabated.

 

[ncurd]

Desperately need these people resigning to back a 'peoples vote' with remain as an option. The problem is these people want 'Hard Brexit' so won't support that and lets be clear that will be even more disastrous than what May has agreed.

I'm not cheering yet this could go massively wrong.

 

[ncurd]

Everything totally unpredictable because Labour's position is impenetrable.

They support Brexit don't kid yourself otherwise.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

They support Brexit don't kid yourself otherwise.

Aye, it's disappointing but thems the breaks.
People keep saying Corbin should be kicking off and trying to cancel Brexit, when one of the things that sets him apart from a lot of politicians is he sticks to his principals - and, unfortunately, he's always been pro-Brexit.

He's the opposition in name only

 

[Which Tyler]

2 cabinet resignations in an hour.
How many, how quickly leads to a vote of no-confidence?
How many, how quicky leads to someone growing a spine and going for a leadership challenge instead?

Will the rest of the cabinet be willing to head into the Commons this morning - or will they all find pressing engagements elsewhere?

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The worse thing about Labour currently is that the majority of Corybn supporters in the party don't want Brexit.
It's such a crazy position for Labour.
Corbyn is marketed as the "champion of socialism", yet has a small working class support base even though he is pro brexit.
Corbyn main supporters are left wing students and 20's middle class yet they are all anti-brexit and he is the opposite.
I just don't get it, maybe it's because those supporters are desperate to be part of the 70's socialism movement and therefore desperate to cling on to the dinosaur from that time or what.

Stubbornness from Corbyn and his supporters will be the main thing that will cost them any chance of making ground on quite frankly the worse government in some time.

 

[Which Tyler]

That's 4 now: (Make that 5). Parliament hasn't even opened for the day yet!
Dominic Raab (Brexit Secretary)
Esther McVey (Work and Pensions Secretary)

Shailesh Vara (Junior Northern Ireland minister)
Suella Braverman (junior minister at the Department for Exiting the EU)
+
Anne-Marie Trevelyan (PPS to the Education Ministers)

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

What a time to be a politics student.

 

[ncurd]

What a time to be a politics student.

You don't to be one now you want to be it a decade from now so you laugh.....alot.

A PPS has just gone as well.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I need to get my European wife ordered....

 

[TRF_Olyy]

If a vote of no confidence is called, who's gonna take over?

BoJo? Mogg? Gove?

Would rather May, and that's saying something

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I need to get my European wife ordered....

@Groundhog

 

[Which Tyler]

I need to get my European wife ordered....

I've got the EU girlfriend - how quickly can weddings be arranged? And how long does it take to convince a girlfriend to become a wife

 

[Thingimubob]

My girlfriend can be Irish at the low cost of €270ish... doesn't extend to me though even if we marry