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Sure, Merkel doesn't even like Putin (unlike her predecessor, who's best mates with him, but he also went to Erdogan's inauguration...). I mean, in the past the two of them spoke to each other through an interpreter even though they speak each other's languages because they dislike each other that much.
Yeah, the social democrats have a lot of Putin apologetics (like Schröder or the previous foreign minister), but their current foreign minister very much changed course.
There's stuff that's rightfully criticised (like the North Stream 2 project), but to say that the whole government is controlled by Russia really is stretching it. Also, why are some of our troops in the Baltics to protect those countries as part of that NATO mission then?
 
Well its all gone Pete Tong:

The Brexitters are so obsessed with leaving that they would happily leave with no deal just to make a point.
The Remainers are so obsessed with making Brexit appear to be a bad decision they are happy for it all to go wrong just to make that point.
We have a weak divided Government with a weak divided opposition being worked from behind by Momentum.
Its a time for leadership and no one is willing to put their hand up.
If the EU referendum has shown anything its that people in British Politics are not prepared to do whats right for the Greater good and only what right for them as individuals.
I still think leaving the EU could have been a positive thing for the UK (lets not pretend the EU is picture of unity and harmony because its currently very divided) but it did require some good leadership and unity at least in the Government tasked with dealing with it but its failed and to be honest I don't think the political class possess the right caliber of people who could have made this work.
In the end I can see the who thing being called off and we return to the EU as before and the last 2 years have just been a total waste of everyone's time.
I'm never going to support leaving the EU mainly because I can't envision a scenario which leaves us in a better situation than the one we had within it. However it is utterly right that the entire dogmatic view (and I think the Brexiteers in the Tory party are the main problem who seams unwilling to accept anything other than walking away from every single European institution (not just the ones we get from EU membership) regardless and giving a middle finger to it all) of is stopping us from getting the best out of a bad situation.

This said (and I know the argument against and fully accept it) the entire shambles means I do think we need a second referendum with clear definitive answer of what being outside the EU means to Britain. Quite frankly going to the polls the first without that in place is part is why we are in such utter horlicks of it its an ideology rather than a definitive thing.

Also how has the past two years not been a waste anyway...I'm not clear on what Brexit 'is' anymore than I was 2 years ago and government certainly isn't either.
 
Of all the countries in the world that Russia could be controlling I think Germany is really low down the list of likely candidates.

Trump has essentially hit back with a "No u"
 
Also how has the past two years not been a waste anyway...I'm not clear on what Brexit 'is' anymore than I was 2 years ago and government certainly isn't either.

Haven't you heard? Brexit means Brexit. Gah get with it.
 
Of all the countries in the world that Russia could be controlling I think Germany is really low down the list of likely candidates.

Trump has essentially hit back with a "No u"
He actually lied about the percentage of energy we get from Russia. He claimed it's 70%, but that's simply not true at all, it's much lower than that.
 
I don't think Trump meant the Russian government controls Germany. He meant that if Germany is going to be relying on Russia for much of their energy resources, then Russia will potentially be able to exercise control. Trump isn't the first to mention this threat to Europe. It's been a standard talking point for years about how it will be possible for Europe to stand up to Russia because of the energy situation.

Trump is great.
1. He wants the US to get a better deal out of NATO. Despite what the EU guy said, there was only one big NATO country that pulled their weight in Afghanistan (UK). Some of the small countries did pull their weight, but only one punched above their weight (Canada). The contributions of other big NATO countries, especially Germany, were minimal. So we pay the lion's share of the defense, and then when we need help we can't even count on most of the countries. Trump is going to get us a better deal.
2. The US is set to be an energy exporter partially thanks to his excellent policies. It's actually a great counterexample to the German policies which were meant to hamper their energy production. Nothing wrong with potentially leveraging US military protection in exchange for better trade deals. The German know all about playing hardball with smaller and poorer countries in Southern Europe. They can have a taste of their own medicine.
3. Trump just inserted himself into the middle of a deal that's important to Putin, but had nothing to do with the US until now, right before he meets Putin. Genius. Like Trump has been saying, Russia is a competitor, not a friend or enemy.
4. For US domestic consumption, Trump gets people thinking about why the Euros are so comfortable relying on Russian energy if Putin is such a big and scary monster.

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Well its all gone Pete Tong:

The Brexitters are so obsessed with leaving that they would happily leave with no deal just to make a point.
The Remainers are so obsessed with making Brexit appear to be a bad decision they are happy for it all to go wrong just to make that point.
When you destroy nationalistic or patriotic feelings in a general population you don't end up with world unity. You end up with tribalism on a more local level.
 
I don't think Trump meant the Russian government controls Germany. He meant that if Germany is going to be relying on Russia for much of their energy resources, then Russia will potentially be able to exercise control. Trump isn't the first to mention this threat to Europe. It's been a standard talking point for years about how it will be possible for Europe to stand up to Russia because of the energy situation.

Which is still wrong. Russia provides roughly 60% of German gas, Germany uses gas for less than 20% of their power generation which means Russia could potentially influence 12% of German supplies. That is just using basic maths and ignoring other factors such as Germany being able to switch to other suppliers if Russia messes them about, switching to other energy sources entirely, gas reserves and the huge impact such action would have on Russia. Why do you think the first priority after WW2 was to make France and Germany big trading partners? It reduces the chances of either side playing silly buggers as it hurts both. Also it wasn't the USA that led the way in punishing Russia after the assassinations in the UK, it was the EU.

Trump is great.
1. He wants the US to get a better deal out of NATO. Despite what the EU guy said, there was only one big NATO country that pulled their weight in Afghanistan (UK). Some of the small countries did pull their weight, but only one punched above their weight (Canada). The contributions of other big NATO countries, especially Germany, were minimal. So we pay the lion's share of the defense, and then when we need help we can't even count on most of the countries. Trump is going to get us a better deal.

Really? You whinge about us not helping you in your wars yet what about the Falklands? You yanks sat back twiddling your thumbs and didn't send a single soldier. Add to this Americas constant and repeated attempts to undermine British military production to favour your own, your recent stupidity with Bombardier and the fact it is you attempting to constantly drag us into wars. You pay more but you also are the ones romping around the world throwing your military weight around.

2. The US is set to be an energy exporter partially thanks to his excellent policies. It's actually a great counterexample to the German policies which were meant to hamper their energy production. Nothing wrong with potentially leveraging US military protection in exchange for better trade deals. The German know all about playing hardball with smaller and poorer countries in Southern Europe. They can have a taste of their own medicine.

Wrong, do you have ANY idea of how long it takes to get energy production up and running? He could have introduced an energy policy on day 1 and had it immediately acted upon and it still wouldn't have made much difference because the lead in time is measured in years. The US is set to be an exporter to due policies that predate Trump.

3. Trump just inserted himself into the middle of a deal that's important to Putin, but had nothing to do with the US until now, right before he meets Putin. Genius. Like Trump has been saying, Russia is a competitor, not a friend or enemy.

Trump sticks his nose where it isn't wanted and criticises his allies whilst only saying good things about the Russians again. He of all people should not accuse others of being controlled by Russia.

4. For US domestic consumption, Trump gets people thinking about why the Euros are so comfortable relying on Russian energy if Putin is such a big and scary monster.

Claiming Trump gets people to think is a complete lie, Trump frequently and actively fights against people trying to think. He wants a band of unthinking yes men and has even ******* said so!

You are either trolling or exceptionally stupid.
 
So hours after Trump publicly criticises Brexit, he claims he never did it and calls such stories fake news... I mean yeah he has a point, the way Brexit has been done is a mess but to turn around the same day and pretend he didn't is laughable...

Also what sort of guy turns up to meet the leader of the country and says how good someone else would be as leader, that same person who has left the government. Imagine the reverse with May going to meet Trump, say everything was wrong and that Hillary would be a good president.

The man is a graceless piece of **** who causes conflict everywhere he goes. It's almost like he is intentionally trying to destroy US relations with it's allies... Funny that.
 
I like how he said he predicted brexit when he opened his new golf course.....the day after the vote.

It would be funny how much of a bare faced liar he is, if it didn't have such dire consequences for the rest of the world
 
It's quite clear that Trump tells his version of the truth depending on what audience he's talking to at the time.
One for the Sun, the other in front of the cameras with May. He damn well knows trade deals take years to negotiate and he'll probably be out of office before one with the U.K. could even commence negotiations.
 
I see sadly the Daily Mail is now selling the rent-a-leftie line (I mean it was inevitable its barely been a newspaper for years but they usually stopped at outright lies in favour of half truths and compleye hyteria).
 
Which is still wrong. Russia provides roughly 60% of German gas, Germany uses gas for less than 20% of their power generation which means Russia could potentially influence 12% of German supplies. That is just using basic maths and ignoring other factors such as Germany being able to switch to other suppliers if Russia messes them about, switching to other energy sources entirely, gas reserves and the huge impact such action would have on Russia. Why do you think the first priority after WW2 was to make France and Germany big trading partners? It reduces the chances of either side playing silly buggers as it hurts both. Also it wasn't the USA that led the way in punishing Russia after the assassinations in the UK, it was the EU.



Really? You whinge about us not helping you in your wars yet what about the Falklands? You yanks sat back twiddling your thumbs and didn't send a single soldier. Add to this Americas constant and repeated attempts to undermine British military production to favour your own, your recent stupidity with Bombardier and the fact it is you attempting to constantly drag us into wars. You pay more but you also are the ones romping around the world throwing your military weight around.



Wrong, do you have ANY idea of how long it takes to get energy production up and running? He could have introduced an energy policy on day 1 and had it immediately acted upon and it still wouldn't have made much difference because the lead in time is measured in years. The US is set to be an exporter to due policies that predate Trump.



Trump sticks his nose where it isn't wanted and criticises his allies whilst only saying good things about the Russians again. He of all people should not accuse others of being controlled by Russia.



Claiming Trump gets people to think is a complete lie, Trump frequently and actively fights against people trying to think. He wants a band of unthinking yes men and has even ******* said so!

You are either trolling or exceptionally stupid.
I'm going to respond to two things here.
Energy and government policy:
As of 2017 Germany got 40% of it's energy from coal.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-14/germany-is-burning-too-much-coal
Merkel's government has set an end date for coal in Germany as 2019.
http://www.powermag.com/germanys-ne...ees-to-phase-out-coal-but-not-by-2020-target/
Merkel's government banned fracking in 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/24/germany-bans-fracking-after-years-of-dispute
You are correct that new technologies have unleashed US energy production, and those predate Trump. However you can't ignore government policy. Obama largely tried to hamper energy production, but not to a massive extent. He certainly didn't promote it. During the 2016 campaign Clinton was trying to recreate the Obama coalition, but because she has white skin instead of black she would have to double down on the core Obama policies. Perhaps the number 1 issue for Obama's core white support is the green movement. Hillary was full of promises about how she was going to slam the doors shut on energy, most famously her statement at a campaign rally that she was going to put the coal miners out of work. Trump made pro energy policies a centerpiece of his agenda for bringing back good working class jobs to Middle America.
It's not an accident in 2017 coal production had it's largest yearly increase since 2001. Obama had attempted a implement a slow regulatory strangling of coal in his second term, and production dropped about 30% during those four years. Also in 2017 US exports of coal rose 61% after having been cut in half in Obama's second term.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=34992
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=35852
Trump pushed the opening of ANWAR in Alaska for oil drilling through Congress. There are estimated to be over 10 billion barrels of oil there. Republican Presidents since Nixon have been trying to get that passed.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-en...s-votes-to-open-alaska-refuge-to-oil-drilling
There are dozens of other ways Trump is helping. He's ripping up regulation at record rates, while Clinton promised new regulation at record rates. It was one of the biggest differences. At the end of Obama's term energy independence for the US was estimated to arrive in 2026. The estimate has moved up to 2022 at this point. I suspect it would have gone further into the future if Hillary had been elected.


I went and looked up some info on The Falklands:
A. The Afghan war fell under the NATO treaty. The Falklands aren't covered.
B. I never said the UK didn't contribute in Afghanistan. I said the most of the big countries did not, especially Germany.
C. The US gave you everything you needed to win the war as far as weapons and intelligence. We had US Navy ships on standby to transfer to British command in case yours were sunk. The differences seem to have come about on the US pushing for a negotiated settlement at various points in the conflict because Argentina was viewed as important in the Cold War context. Yes, some neoconservatives in the Reagan administration were hostile to the UK, but Reagan and the normal conservatives were not going to let British people be subjected to foreign occupation if push came to shove. And if the US had intervened in an alternative scenario where you guys couldn't handle it mostly on your own, it would have probably been the most popular war in US history.
D. I'm not defending US foreign policy, or the stupid way the Afghan war was prosecuted. I'm also not claiming the US is a good ally in general. What can't be argued against is that the US has kept their word on NATO. The Soviet Union would have almost assuredly marched to the English Channel at some point soon after WWII if not for the US presence. The US risked nuclear destruction at multiple points to stand up for the countries on the border of the Iron Curtain. And then when an attack on us fell under the NATO treaty there was next to no help from countries like Germany.
 
B. I never said the UK didn't contribute in Afghanistan. I said the most of the big countries did not, especially Germany.

Smart people.
Thousands of our kids died in the desert for nothing. Just because America wanted to swing it's dick around after getting it's eye blackened by some Saudi terrorists.
 
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Remember folks - she's not here to enter a discussion, she just wants to annoy people.
She may even believe what she's posting; but if so, she believes it with a burning passion that will never be altered. She isn't open to being swayed, or even acknowledging rational argument - it's not why she's here.
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This why the left gets such a bad ******* rep.

Someone just decided to point out England women's football team made a final 3 years ago on a post my wife made 3 days ago.....person isn't even interested in sport.
 
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