A Political Thread

[GarethGriffiths]

Firstly, sentence structure and grammar make your stupid statements easier to read. Or are we oppressing the Welsh schooling system now. Its ok, as I've got a spell check so I'll correct what I copy.

@Tallshort (AKA VC)

1. IF a man or woman chooses to make an exhibition of themselves then their claims to being objectified are null and void.

A man or women can make an exhibition of themselves, wear what they want, and should not be abused because of it. Women have been quite a lot, that's objectification. What you're saying is that a women who is wearing a short skirt on a friday night is open to abuse from men, as their claims should be null and void. You're not a nice person at

2. The poorest men in society are totally discriminated against in every facet of their lives. Always have been. This is why 80 million died fighting for rich men and women wars.

Absolutely, but the poorest are always the one first in the firing line in society, but as soon as we express socialist views, or we try to help them we get branded a leftist loony, and the poor as benefit scum. This has nothing to do with 'Feminist agenda'

3. TB in coal mines.

Different world. TB was huge, the UK government mass immunisation has worked. Good eh!

4. Men are discriminated against in terms of the their health as they get far less spent on their health

Balls! Cancer research and breast cancers fund raising campaigns have been the reason, they have successfully marketed their charities to make money. There is nothing wrong with this, men can embrace this too and I've seen a rise in donations to Prostate Cancer research. I've also seen a raise in mental health awareness aimed at men (CALM for example) as I've raised countless thousands for them. Yes there is a long way to go but we're not choosing to invest in female cancers any more than mens, but the charities supporting them have been far more successful.

5. IN the UK males now face far far greater discrimination than women

Pah. Then we should all be equal then, but we have discriminated against women for centuries and tied them to gender specific roles. Things are changing, which is great news for all men and women who want a better world. Men don't have such a history, at worse we're just leveling the playing field.

For someone who sprouts such extreme right wing views, but at the same time expresses his hatred for the war they've signed us up for. Sadly you're not one of a kind. But we can help you if you let us

Why should he want to be helped, any more than you should want to be helped?

If he chooses not to agree with or believe you, that is his choice which he is entitled to.

If you choose not to agree with or believe him, that is your choice which you are entitled to.

You believe that you are right, he believes that he is right. The truth must lie somewhere in between.

Besides, if we want to ban sexism and racism at work, companies should only employ BAME females.

 

[GarethGriffiths]

Firstly, sentence structure and grammar make your stupid statements easier to read. Or are we oppressing the Welsh schooling system now. Its ok, as I've got a spell check so I'll correct what I copy.

@Tallshort (AKA VC)

1. IF a man or woman chooses to make an exhibition of themselves then their claims to being objectified are null and void.

A man or women can make an exhibition of themselves, wear what they want, and should not be abused because of it. Women have been quite a lot, that's objectification. What you're saying is that a women who is wearing a short skirt on a friday night is open to abuse from men, as their claims should be null and void. You're not a nice person at

2. The poorest men in society are totally discriminated against in every facet of their lives. Always have been. This is why 80 million died fighting for rich men and women wars.

Absolutely, but the poorest are always the one first in the firing line in society, but as soon as we express socialist views, or we try to help them we get branded a leftist loony, and the poor as benefit scum. This has nothing to do with 'Feminist agenda'

3. TB in coal mines.

Different world. TB was huge, the UK government mass immunisation has worked. Good eh!

4. Men are discriminated against in terms of the their health as they get far less spent on their health

Balls! Cancer research and breast cancers fund raising campaigns have been the reason, they have successfully marketed their charities to make money. There is nothing wrong with this, men can embrace this too and I've seen a rise in donations to Prostate Cancer research. I've also seen a raise in mental health awareness aimed at men (CALM for example) as I've raised countless thousands for them. Yes there is a long way to go but we're not choosing to invest in female cancers any more than mens, but the charities supporting them have been far more successful.

5. IN the UK males now face far far greater discrimination than women

Pah. Then we should all be equal then, but we have discriminated against women for centuries and tied them to gender specific roles. Things are changing, which is great news for all men and women who want a better world. Men don't have such a history, at worse we're just leveling the playing field.

For someone who sprouts such extreme right wing views, but at the same time expresses his hatred for the war they've signed us up for. Sadly you're not one of a kind. But we can help you if you let us

From the same person who says that women should not be objectified, I think that is Pot, Kettle and Black.

Anyway, don't you have bigger fish to fry with spanking Boko Harum on the 'arris? They objectify women a lot worse than us Brits!

 

[truthteller]

I'm sorry but you HAVE to be a parody
You just said "UK males now face far far greater discrimination than women" and nobody can be as monumentally thick as that comment suggests

Yes I believe that and Ive written extensively on this thread as to why I believe that. Now quit playing to the audience I am no parody. Male suicide rates, male homelessness, male helath spend per head, male education, male cancer rates, male cancer treatments, male charities, male refuges, fathers rights, the list goes on and on and on and YOU ARE being discriminated against in all these areas and youre too brainwashed to even see it

 

[TRF_Olyy]

....what audience?

and no, I'm not discriminated against.
The fact that you think white males are somehow the most trodden on people in the country/the world is just laughable.

My Uncle is a Ghanaian immigrant, I'll go ask him if he thinks he's faced more discrimination in his life than I have.

 

[truthteller]

I'm sorry but you HAVE to be a parody
You just said "UK males now face far far greater discrimination than women" and nobody can be as monumentally thick as that comment suggests

Yes I believe that and Ive written extensively on this thread as to why I believe that. Now quit playing to the audience I am no parody. Male suicide rates, male homelessness, male helath spend per head, male education, male cancer rates, male cancer treatments, male charities, male refuges, fathers rights, the list goes on and on and on and YOU ARE being discriminated against in all these areas and youre too brainwashed to even see it

Firstly, sentence structure and grammar make your stupid statements easier to read. Or are we oppressing the Welsh schooling system now. Its ok, as I've got a spell check so I'll correct what I copy.

@Tallshort (AKA VC)

1. IF a man or woman chooses to make an exhibition of themselves then their claims to being objectified are null and void.

A man or women can make an exhibition of themselves, wear what they want, and should not be abused because of it. Women have been quite a lot, that's objectification. What you're saying is that a women who is wearing a short skirt on a friday night is open to abuse from men, as their claims should be null and void.
You're not a nice person at

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING YOU ARE LYING NOW. THE TERM OBJECTIFIED IS TAKEN WAY OUT OF CONTEXT IN LOADS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THE CLAIM NOW IS SIMPLY TO BE OGLED AT IS TO BE OBJECTIFIED TO SIMPLY ALLOW A WOMAN OR MAN TO DO A JOB THAT INVOLVES SHOWING OFF THEIR NATURAL BEAUTY OR BODIES HAS BEEN OUTLAWED BY RADICAL FEMINISTS WHICH TAKES AWAYS WOMEN AND SOME MENS RIGHTS TO CHOOSE THEIR JOBS AND IN MANY CASES NOW THESE PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS. BUT IF YOU DO WEAR VERY LITTLE AND EXPOSE YOUR BODY YOU WILL GET MORE ATTENTION. DID I SAY ITS RIGHT FOR SOMEONE TO ABUSE ANYONE BECAUSE OF IT ? NO. YOURE LYING

2. The poorest men in society are totally discriminated against in every facet of their lives. Always have been. This is why 80 million died fighting for rich men and women wars.

Absolutely, but the poorest are always the one first in the firing line in society, but as soon as we express socialist views, or we try to help them we get branded a leftist loony, and the poor as benefit scum. This has nothing to do with 'Feminist agenda'


LEFTIST POLICIES ARE USUALLY SELF DEFEATING EVERY SOCIALIST AND COMMUNIST COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS COLLAPSED AND IN THE END THE POOREST HAVE BEEN EVEN WORSE OFF. IT IS TO DO WITH FEMINIST AGENDA AS WE ARE NOT FOCUSING AT ALL ON MENS RIGHTS OR ANYONES RIGHTS EXCEPT WOMENS RIGHTS AND THIS IS NOW TOTALLY OUT OF BALANCE. AS WE SEE IN DIVORCE COURTS, HEALTH SPENDING, TREATMENT, BENEFITS EVERYTHING IS MASSIVELY BIASED IN FAVOUR OF WOMEN. THATS WHY WE HAVE THE INSANE SITUATION OF 90% OF HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE MEN, YET 90% OF SHELTERS ARE FOR WOMEN
3. TB in coal mines.

Different world. TB was huge, the UK government mass immunisation has worked. Good eh!

THE POOREST MEN IT IS CLAIMED BY THE REVISIONIST FEMIMIST AIRBRUSHING OF HISTORY SUPPOSEDLY RAN THE WORLD , A MANS WORLD LOL THESE MEN WERE PAID A PITTANCE RISKED AND LOST THEIR LIVES THEIR HEALTH AND WERE FORCED INTO WARS FOR RICH PEOPLE OR FACE THE FIRING SQUAD. IT WAS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A MANS WORLD THAT IS A LIE PEDDLED BY RADICAL FEMINISTS. ITS A RICH PERSONS WORLD

4. Men are discriminated against in terms of the their health as they get far less spent on their health

Balls! Cancer research and breast cancers fund raising campaigns have been the reason, they have successfully marketed their charities to make money. There is nothing wrong with this, men can embrace this too and I've seen a rise in donations to Prostate Cancer research. I've also seen a raise in mental health awareness aimed at men (CALM for example) as I've raised countless thousands for them. Yes there is a long way to go but we're not choosing to invest in female cancers any more than mens, but the charities supporting them have been far more successful.

YOU CAN SWEAR AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE , WOMENS BREAST CANCER HAS HAS OVER £550 MILLLION SPENT ON IT AND ITS FALLING RAPIDLY, IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD MENS PROSTATE CANCER HAS HAD JUST £200 MILLION SPENT ON IT AND ITS RISEN TO ITS HIGHEST LEVEL. THIS IS ONE OF MANY REASONS MEN DIE 5 YEARS YOUNGER THAN WOMEN ACROSS THE ENTIRE WORLD

5. IN the UK males now face far far greater discrimination than women

Pah. Then we should all be equal then, but we have discriminated against women for centuries and tied them to gender specific roles. Things are changing, which is great news for all men and women who want a better world. Men don't have such a history, at worse we're just leveling the playing field.

For someone who sprouts such extreme right wing views, but at the same time expresses his hatred for the war they've signed us up for. Sadly you're not one of a kind. But we can help you if you let us

YOU NEED HELP YOURE AVERSE TO THE TRUTH , SADLY YOURE ABOUT A DECADE BEHIND. IN 10 YEARS TIME WHEN MEN YOU KNOW DIE FROM DISEASES BECAUSE THEY ARE MASSIVELY UNDER FUNDED BECAUSE WOMEN GET A DISPROPORTIONATE SHARE OF HEALTH CARE FUNDING AND MEDIA COVERAGE...OR WHEN MEN YOU KNOW END UP HOMELESS AND ESTRANGED FROM THEIR FAMILIES LIVING ON THE STREETS WITH NO HOPE WHEN YOURE GRAND SONS LEAVE COLLEGE AND SCHOOLS WITH NO EDUCATION AS THEY HAVE NO MALE ROLE MODELS AND LIVE IN BROKEN INDUSTRIAL TOWNS WITH NO HOPE AND HEAVEN FORBID YOUNG MEN YOU KNOW KILL THEMSELVES PERHAPS THEN YOU WILL STOP TREATING MENS PROBLEMS AS A JOKE. I THINK YOURE FICKLE TRIVIAL MOCKING REPLIES ARE A SICK CRUEL JOKE

OH LET ME GUESS YOUR REPLY ? YOURE OFFENDED BY CAPS LOCK. i DID THAT SIMPLY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN YOUR SNEERING COMMENTS AND MY ANSWERS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO READ AND SEPERATE MY ANSWERS

 

[truthteller]

....what audience?

and no, I'm not discriminated against.
The fact that you think white males are somehow the most trodden on people in the country/the world is just laughable.

My Uncle is a Ghanaian immigrant, I'll go ask him if he thinks he's faced more discrimination in his life than I have.

Yes ask him how he feels about the suicide rates the mortality rates the health care spedning gap the 90% homeless rates for men. Maybe he will show more empathy than you.

 

[truthteller]

....what audience?

and no, I'm not discriminated against.
The fact that you think white males are somehow the most trodden on people in the country/the world is just laughable.

My Uncle is a Ghanaian immigrant, I'll go ask him if he thinks he's faced more discrimination in his life than I have.

I did not say WHITE stop lying stop trying to make this about race, this is purely about gender poliitics. You ARE discriminated against in all the ways I outlined and this will get worse, you and I and all our male friends will die far younger than most women because of the discrimination and bias throughout this entire country against men.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

No I'm not.

 

[MarkyH]

OMG! You can't engage with idiocy.

 

[truthteller]

No I'm not.

what a childish repsonse? do you not understand basic facts? youre getting vastly less spent on your your health your housing your rights as a father, if you divorce you will lose your kids your home too and youll pay the bills too.

 

[truthteller]

OMG! You can't engage with idiocy.

Ah here comes the abuse , no facts no humanity just abuse

 

[MarkyH]

But I was being humane. I mentioned how I raised money to help men (through CALM). I think you're passion clouds your reasonable judgement, you have such hatred for feminism that you must've had some misfortune that's shaped your thoughts.

I hope you're well, and I don't want to abuse you. I find some of your opinions misguided and idiotic, and the reasons behind them far away from truth. However, you're not hurting me or damaging me, I just see my views as offering a fair world. I won't resort to *** for tat. However if you have a daughter, and she is subject to sexual abuse for being female, then tell me how its the same for men, then tell her that feminism is wrong.

Enjoy the game on Saturday!

 

[McTallshort]

I did not say WHITE stop lying stop trying to make this about race, this is purely about gender poliitics. You ARE discriminated against in all the ways I outlined and this will get worse, you and I and all our male friends will die far younger than most women because of the discrimination and bias throughout this entire country against men.

Ah here comes the abuse , no facts no humanity just abuse

You poor little snowflake

 

[truthteller]

But I was being humane. I mentioned how I raised money to help men (through CALM). I think you're passion clouds your reasonable judgement, you have such hatred for feminism that you must've had some misfortune that's shaped your thoughts.

I hope you're well, and I don't want to abuse you. I find some of your opinions misguided and idiotic, and the reasons behind them far away from truth. However, you're not hurting me or damaging me, I just see my views as offering a fair world. I won't resort to *** for tat. However if you have a daughter, and she is subject to sexual abuse for being female, then tell me how its the same for men, then tell her that feminism is wrong.

Enjoy the game on Saturday!

Honestly I think your reply is incredibly misplaced.
I am 100% against any discrimination against anyone. You have assumed wrongly that I somehow dotn care about sexual abuse of women? I do and I have never sexual insulted or abused or condoned this behaviour. I did not state ALL feminism is wrong you have done the classic straw man argument exagerating my opinions and argument against an opinion I havent even offered? I am saying mens rights and male issues need to be addressed too and are massively overlooked in society. I am afraid it is because of men like you choosing to ignore them mock them and shout down any man who even dare fight for mens rights. So indoctrinated are you in the feminist perspective you choose to ignore the areas where men are being massively left behind. Perhaps if you have male family members who cant get cancer treatment or know males destroyed by divorce estranged from their kids, bankrupted by divorce courts or men living on the streets maybe this actually find within you some tiny iota of empathy and humanity for your fellow man. You enioy the game and enjoy the truth too.

 

[truthteller]

You poor little snowflake

hypocrite

 

[TRF_Olyy]

youre getting vastly less spent on your rights as a father, if you divorce you will lose your kids your home too and youll pay the bills too.

I'm not married and I don't have kids, don't own a home either

 

[Groundhog]

I'm not married and I don't have kids, don't own a home either

That doesn't mean you can't be a daddy

 

[truthteller]

I'm not married and I don't have kids, don't own a home either

God help you if you do or if you get ill or get cancer, youre incredibly naive as to how your rights as a man are light years behind those of women in the UK

 

[TRF_Olyy]

God help you if you do or if you get ill or get cancer, youre incredibly naive as to how your rights as a man are light years behind those of women in the UK

 

[McTallshort]

Honestly I think your reply is incredibly misplaced.
I am 100% against any discrimination against anyone. You have assumed wrongly that I somehow dotn care about sexual abuse of women? I do and I have never sexual insulted or abused or condoned this behaviour. I did not state ALL feminism is wrong you have done the classic straw man argument exagerating my opinions and argument against an opinion I havent even offered? I am saying mens rights and male issues need to be addressed too and are massively overlooked in society. I am afraid it is because of men like you choosing to ignore them mock them and shout down any man who even dare fight for mens rights. So indoctrinated are you in the feminist perspective you choose to ignore the areas where men are being massively left behind. Perhaps if you have male family members who cant get cancer treatment or know males destroyed by divorce estranged from their kids, bankrupted by divorce courts or men living on the streets maybe this actually find within you some tiny iota of empathy and humanity for your fellow man. You enioy the game and enjoy the truth too.

OK I got divorced once and I'm not living on the streets, I still see my eldest son, I'm not paying half my ex wife's bills and I wasn't made bankrupt by divorce lawyers.

Just because your experience during divorce was a bad one doesn't mean everyone's was.