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Corbyn is literally about to announce he's taking part in tonight's TV debate.......the next 7 hours for May will be incredibly interesting.

She's starting to remind me of Gordon Brown who was also a stubborn control freak but who didn't like the TV debates and the media glare. In fairness to Brown, at least he participated as a sitting PM which is the hardest task of all given that he had the record to defend against the others who were gunning for him. May is a complete coward. Her deputy Amber Rudd might be in for a tough evening.

Should be a good debate now with Jezza now involved. Angus Robertson of the SNP is a very sharp cookie and a formidable Parliamentarian who should be involved in a few feisty exchanges.
 
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I suspect Jezza will get a bit of a roasting, but good on him for taking up the debate, if T-May does'nt front up then she will be the loser.
Amber Rudd is getting herself into position for a post election jump into the hot seat? Who knows?
I'm keen to see it tonight.
Tim Farron has already been attacking T-May on the radio for not fronting up.
The trouble for T-May, is that if she does change her position and come to the party, will that be another 'U-Turn' for the Submarine?

Thanks for putting that up Oggy.
 
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Tim Farron hit a chord with the public on the last say. His line about watching the Bake off instead of watching Teresa May was funny and accurate.
She looks weak for not fronting up when Labour did.
The knives were out for her and her campaign is faltering.... however, I feel they still have the numbers.
Corbyn has some strong positive policies, but hes quite old school in his delivery and they may not be achieving full effect because of his style.
He did come out fighting though and he did show up so he has made ground out of this... I think the Conservatives are prepared to let this one go and continue attacking Corbyn on Facebook.
The Green co-leader spoke very well and gained ground.
Farron gained ground.
The Welsh party rep did fine and Angus Robertson was strong but as his party is only in Scotland his appeal will be minimal outside of Scotland.
Amber Rudd came with one agenda only.
To attack Corbyn.
She did attack him but I don't think she was prepared for the amount of hostility she was going to get from pretty much everyone else on the stage.
She's a vicious crreature and the 'nasty party' image will not have lost any impetus after her 'mad dog' performance.
 
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Absolutely appalled at the BBC for tonight's debate. Could the audience have been more biased to the left? Every time Nuttall spoke he was shouted down by Leanne Wood or Jeremy Corbyn and every time Corbyn spoke he was cheered. He could have said that he would increase homelessness by 100% and he'd still get a huge round of applause. UKIP and the Tories were up against it from the start and who can blame May for not turning up?
 
Oh and if anyone thinks that Corbyn hadn't planned this u-turn then they need to wake up. The crowd that greeted the leaders were ALL labour and the audience was ALL labour. They knew about it way in advance
 
Maybe people liked what he had to say?

Not sure it should come as any surprise that the literal sack of **** UKIP leader wasn't well liked by the general public.
 
Maybe people liked what he had to say?

Not sure it should come as any surprise that the literal sack of **** UKIP leader wasn't well liked by the general public.
It is not that simple I'm afraid. Please tell me what you don't like about Nuttall or even UKIP as a whole.
Did you watch the debate bud?
 
Well he lied about losing a friend in the hillsborough disaster,

Oh really?
I didn't know that.
Thats a very difficult hurdle to get passed.
He comes across as a one eyed brexiteer, who wants to blame everything on immigrants, Muslims and the EU... but a sneaky dirty compulsive liar as well?
Hmmmm... thanks for that Olyy.


Climate change denier,

Oh dear, flat earth society member as well?
 
Absolutely appalled at the BBC for tonight's debate. Could the audience have been more biased to the left?

Yes.
Considerably.
If you go back and watch it again you will see that Corbyn was only getting a luke warm response at best from the start.
deservedly so, he should never have sat out the first debate.
The response he received grew 'during the debate', it was directly affected by the manner in which it was obvious that Amber Rudd was pre programmed to attack Jeremy Corbyn everytime she spoke. Her body language showed she addressed each question facing the interviewer and then she would turn toward Corbyn and veer away from answering the question as she sought to twist every single question into an attack on Corbyn by way of a comparison with gutless no show May. The audience were not stupid there 'Welshdragon', they saw what she was doing and the panel moved to attack her quite quickly. That was what particularly unnerved her, she didn't seem ready for the counter attack she received from the other panellists.
She might be quite an adept speaker but last night because she was obviously instructed to attack Corbyn at every opportunity, she came across as the lieutenant of the nasty party.

The conservatives are going to take houses off sick old people. There is a silver Tsunami of dementia and alzheimers building in this country and Teresa May wants to take advantage of it to grab their property.
They will be used as repossessions to try to kickstart the failing housing market.
It's a deeply offensive, cold calculating and ugly policy.
It's also a vote loser among the elderly.

... and every time Corbyn spoke he was cheered. He could have said that he would increase homelessness by 100%

Now that Sir is a ridiculous statement and one that comes from a place of emotion, not logic.
It looked to me like there was a swing in the audience from the beginning to the middle of the debate.
The presenter was very fair and if Amber Rudd wasn't prepared for the hostility she was shown from all parties and the audience then the Conservatives should have let Teresa come out for a rare public outing.

...who can blame May for not turning up?

Everybody.
Everybody.
She has been shown to be gutless in the public eye, it was a foolish move by her team.
Tim Farron really nailed her when he said "We (the leaders) are supposed to like the people, we are supposed to engage with the people who would vote for us."
Where was Teresa May in Manchester when the other leaders were on the ground showing their compassion for the victims families and the community?
Teresa was hiding from the public again.

"We (the leaders) are supposed to like the people, we are supposed to engage with the people who would vote for us."
It was a very telling sentence.
 
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In case you were wondering why May needed to turn up she successfully show herself inn the foot explaining why she shouldn't.

Mrs May said Mr Corbyn "seems to be paying far more attention to how many appearances on telly he's doing, and he ought to be paying a little more attention to thinking about Brexit negotiations".


So why did you call a general election instead of getting on with Brexit immediately after serving Article 50?



Anyway Farron clearly 'won' the debate with closing remarks.
 
On BBC bias about the crowd Laura Kuenssberg (who usually accused of quite acute Tory bias) says the Tory voting part of the audience were pretty peeved May had not turned up.
 
It is not that simple I'm afraid. Please tell me what you don't like about Nuttall or even UKIP as a whole.
Did you watch the debate bud?

hahahaha that's actually hilarious.
By the way, the audience are carefully selected by an independent polling organisation. Just because the Daily Mail claims bias doesn't make it so.
 
On BBC bias about the crowd Laura Kuenssberg (who usually accused of quite acute Tory bias) says the Tory voting part of the audience were pretty peeved May had not turned up.


Exactly - the people who claim bias on the basis of audience jeers and cheers must have expected that not a single tory voter be a little peeved in May for not turning up. There's also the whole point that you can be an audience member disappointed about aspects of the tory performance e.g public services and still have been a tory voter. The incumbent government should also expect more audience discontent because there's always going to be more aspects of performance to be disappointed with. The audience may still be planning to vote tory, because right now many people will vote tory just for Brexit and nothing else.
 
Okay so I can see that this thread is ridiculously left wing already.
Regarding Nuttall, I didn't know about that lie which is sickening (especially being a Liverpool supporter so I feel strongly regarding Hillsborough) but the other things you list are either not bad or untrue. Abortion is murder and is wrong, many will disagree with that but that's a religious take on it. Do you all think that their policy of banning sharia law is a bad thing?
People will lie to get into these debates and on the radio time and time again there is a loaded audience. The BBC moderator did absolutely nothing when the debate turned into a shouting match so I don't see how she was 'good'.
 
Actually I have no problem with Sharia Law in this country as long as is it dies not break the laws of this country......but I can tell as a UKIP supporter that position might be a little too nuanced for you.

Actually this forum is fairly centrist but I know most people have forgotten what a centre position is these days.
 
Okay so I can see that this thread is ridiculously left wing already.
Regarding Nuttall, I didn't know about that lie which is sickening (especially being a Liverpool supporter so I feel strongly regarding Hillsborough) but the other things you list are either not bad or untrue. Abortion is murder and is wrong, many will disagree with that but that's a religious take on it. Do you all think that their policy of banning sharia law is a bad thing?
People will lie to get into these debates and on the radio time and time again there is a loaded audience. The BBC moderator did absolutely nothing when the debate turned into a shouting match so I don't see how she was 'good'.

"The other things you list are either not bad or untrue"
What about his homophobia and sexism? Which one is that, untrue or not that bad?
If you want to claim its untrue then explain why he is anti same-sex marriage and wanted to ban people with HIV from the UK
 
May said that she preferred to get out and speak to voters rather than exchange sound bites with the other leaders. I wonder if there is any video footage of her out and about talking to voters while the debate was being aired? I suspect not. She was hiding in no. 10 watching Amber Rudd (not PM material either) take her spot.

Farron's closing speech was hilarious - asking people to go and make a brew while waiting for Bake-off rather than listen to the lady who couldn't be bothered's substitute.
 
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