A Political Thread

[McTallshort]

Amazing. When the attacks happened in Belgium and France everyone was wetting themselves with sympathy. Attack happens in London...oh well they probably deserved it

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I figured but my god it is so annoying.

"He isn't Asian, why lump them with the Chinese etc it's not fair etc etc" So much facepalm.

I bet a lot of Americans think the Middle East is a continent. (No offense Mole you clearly are on the ball with this kind of stuff).

so for working class americans muslims are terrorists and indians, chinese (that have arrived in the last 20 years, older ones are yellow ****ers [not my wording], japanese, and koreans are 'stealing my job' asians

middle and upper class americans think muslims are terrorists but we should let the good ones in if they prove themselves... the rest are business partners/ engineers

that pretty much sums it up

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Amazing. When the attacks happened in Belgium and France everyone was wetting themselves with sympathy. Attack happens in London...oh well they probably deserved it

no ones said that

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

that's cause we don't really learn history outside of the united states and europe and we certainly don't learn any type of geography

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and our european history is, they allowed hitler to do bad things and we came in and saved the day... earlier european history is christians saved the barbarian savages

A lot of people have this thing about claiming Americans are stupid/less intelligent than most other nationalities. The problem is that they want to do it referring to average IQ scores which is all a load of nonsense.

The only way in which Americans are less intelligent is the absence of awareness which you are referring to there when you're saying that Americans aren't taught certain things which you'd think are quite important, like geography. Some Americans I know are also the brightest people I know, but what makes many Americans unintelligent is the idea that anyone of difference is inherently a threat, or bad in some other way. And it really must be about levels of exposure to other ways of life. I think a big part of acceptance and social intelligence is having experienced other cultures, and yet America is SO sheltered, so isolationist that this level of awareness and acceptance doesn't exist. So I am continually shocked by the way that for many Americans , the terms "Socialist", "muslim", etc, are banded around as insults in the belief that anyone hearing those words will straight away know that these are bad things. Like, all you need to do is attach a label to someone and that's it, their credibility is just smashed.

 

[Gavin]

Amazing. When the attacks happened in Belgium and France everyone was wetting themselves with sympathy. Attack happens in London...oh well they probably deserved it

Who on earth says they probably deserved it? No innocent civilian deserved to be killed or injured.

 

[McTallshort]

Who on earth says they probably deserved it? No innocent civilian deserved to be killed or injured.

But we shouldn't moan because more people died on the same day in the middle east?

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Amazing. When the attacks happened in Belgium and France everyone was wetting themselves with sympathy. Attack happens in London...oh well they probably deserved it

No-one is saying that at all mate. I realise it may have seemed strange for that to have been brought up but I think the only point is that, let's be honest, we do close our eyes and hearts to an unbelievable extent about this stuff - the further away the better. It may come across as an insensitive point but it's also an important one. Let's grieve and condemn stuff in London and Paris but also let's not give our governments a free ticket to doing whatever the hell they want at the cost of non-europeans lives.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

A lot of people have this thing about claiming Americans are stupid/less intelligent than most other nationalities. The problem is that they want to do it referring to average IQ scores which is all a load of nonsense.

The only way in which Americans are less intelligent is the absence of awareness which you are referring to there when you're saying that Americans aren't taught certain things which you'd think are quite important, like geography. Some Americans I know are also the brightest people I know, but what makes many Americans unintelligent is the idea that anyone of difference is inherently a threat, or bad in some other way. And it really must be about levels of exposure to other ways of life. I think a big part of acceptance and social intelligence is having experienced other cultures, and yet America is SO sheltered, so isolationist that this level of awareness and acceptance doesn't exist. So I am continually shocked by the way that for many Americans , the terms "Socialist", "muslim", etc, are banded around as insults in the belief that anyone hearing those words will straight away know that these are bad things. Like, all you need to do is attach a label to someone and that's it, their credibility is just smashed.

i had a huge post written up but it is impossible to explain

essentially our education up until college is just brainwashing that the united states is amazing

in college you can get some world view if you decide to take classes that would give them to you... i was lucky enough to take a lot of latin american history, law history, and anarchism classes to have a good world view
plenty of people study abroad (i was never healthy enough but was able to spend a lot of time abroad growing up... which leads into how social class, which a lot of americans refuse to believe exists, effects how much americans are exposed to other parts of the world)

we are so competitive in everything we do that unless you have interest in learning about the non-american world, you don't need to

 

[Gavin]

But we shouldn't moan because more people died on the same day in the middle east?

Didn't say people shouldn't moan at all that more people died in the Middle East. As I said in post #3096 I was merely putting it into perspective.

I'll quote it here for you so you don't have to over-exert yourself to find it:

I make no link between the attack on London and the bombing of a school near Raqqa, the comment was merely to put it in perspective that civilians being killed is happening everywhere but how it is spoken about it completely different.

Take for example the US-led coalition push to take Mosul, human rights groups claim that more civilians are being displaced and killed than the Syrian push to liberate Aleppo - yet it is not front-page news and I see no flags or hashtags claiming that people stand with the people of Raqqa.



See above

 

[McTallshort]

No-one is saying that at all mate. I realise it may have seemed strange for that to have been brand ought up but I think the only point is that, let's be honest, we do close our eyes and hearts to an unbelievable extent about this stuff - the further away the better. It may come across as an insensitive point but it's also an important one. Let's grieve and condemn stuff in London and Paris but also let's not give our governments a free ticket to doing whatever the hell they want at the cost of non-europeans lives.

We don't give anyone a free ticket. And the rise is Islamic fundamentalism has more to do with Saudi backed Mosques spreading a medieval form of the religion than any action taken by the west

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

We don't give anyone a free ticket. And the rise is Islamic fundamentalism has more to do with Saudi backed Mosques spreading a medieval form of the religion than any action taken by the west

I agree - blaming everything on our own governments is part of an incredibly lazy trend in politics especially among young people - but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge our role in it and do more to make our governments aware that we care.

 

[McTallshort]

Didn't say people shouldn't moan at all that more people died in the Middle East. As I said in post #3096 I was merely putting it into perspective.

I'll quote it here for you so you don't have to over-exert yourself to find it:

So people in the UK care more about people in the UK being killed than people in the middle east?.really there's a shock

 

[McTallshort]

I agree - blaming everything on our own governments is part of an incredibly lazy trend in politics especially among young people - but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge our role in it and do more to make our governments aware that we care.

Our role in what exactly?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

We don't give anyone a free ticket. And the rise is Islamic fundamentalism has more to do with Saudi backed Mosques spreading a medieval form of the religion than any action taken by the west

again, just cause one thing is bad doesn't mean something else is not bad

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Our role in what exactly?

being complicit... if no one says anything negative about our governments actions they have no reason to stop

 

[McTallshort]

again, just cause one thing is bad doesn't mean something else is not bad

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being complicit... if no one says anything negative about our governments actions they have no reason to stop

What the **** has that got to do with a madman driving a car down a pavement killing people?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

What the **** has that got to do with a madman driving a car down a pavement killing people?

it could have everything to do with it or it could have none... what if this event was this man's revenge on the western world for what they have done to his people?

does that mean he shouldn't be found guilty? **** no, if he was killed on the spot i would have supported the police officer's decision

does that mean the people deserved to die? again no

 

[McTallshort]

it could have everything to do with it or it could have none... what if this event was this man's revenge on the western world for what they have done to his people?

does that mean he shouldn't be found guilty? **** no, if he was killed on the spot i would have supported the police officer's decision

does that mean the people deserved to die? again no

Or like most such attacks it's a messed up idiot using a supposed feeling of vengeance to justify killing lots of innocent people?

Also what do you mean his people?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Or like most such attacks it's a messed up idiot using a supposed feeling of vengeance to justify killing lots of innocent people?

Also what do you mean his people?

that's why i said it could mean nothing or everything, the point is we don't know so why not discuss it... i meant other muslims (is this not a phrase used outside US?)

 

[McTallshort]

that's why i said it could mean nothing or everything, the point is we don't know so why not discuss it... i meant other muslims (is this not a phrase used outside US?)

A large number of Muslim pilgrims were killed in Pakistan a few days ago by IS why didn't he direct his hatred to them?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

A large number of Muslim pilgrims were killed in Pakistan a few days ago by IS why didn't he direct his hatred to them?

do you want us to play this game with every single mass shooting?

you are looking for reason in a place where reason obviously does not exist

 

[McTallshort]

do you want us to play this game with every single mass shooting?

you are looking for reason in a place where reason obviously does not exist

So if reason doesn't exist what am I complicit for as you stated earlier?