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Its simple because the issue is simple
Terrorism is a strategy of weakness adopted by those who lack access to real power.
Terrorists usually don't have the strength to defeat an army, occupy a country or destroy entire cities.
Terrorism is a small problem that is easily resolved by stopping the indiscriminate bombing and drone attacks against the countries in the middle east that America and NATO want for the exploitation of their mineral resources (generally oil) and their geo-political hegemony.
Stop that aberrant behaviour and the oppression of the subject peoples and you take away the fertile grounds that allow terrorists to foment their ideas and gain converts.
But terrorism is still a small problem...
In 2010 Terrorists killed 7,697 people across the globe. Most of them in developing countries.
In the same year obesity killed about 3 million people.
For the average American or European , Coca cola poses a far deadlier threat than Al Qaeda.
 
So this Tunisian who carried out this attack was a repressed individual who had been a victim of a drone attack? How about the 9/11 attackers? Poor oppressed people from bleak back grounds or rich, comfortable well educated kids from good families? Osama Bin Laden? Poor downtrodden person or spoilt little rich boy? Also how many drone attacks were happening when 9/11 happened?

It's not a simple problem, the whole of the middle east is a four way power play and to say all terrorism is because of X Y or Z is frankly daft.
 
So this Tunisian who carried out this attack was a repressed individual who had been a victim of a drone attack?

Victims of drone attacks rarely survive.
Those that do are usually maimed in a way they cannot continue their lives as before. Ask any of the thousands of innocent civilians who have lost family members from this overt form of western terrorism.

In direct answer to your question; He was in an oppressed society.
Did you not pay any attention to the 'spring uprisings' across north Africa?
Did you not pay any attention to the information that came out about how much America finances the various regimes in the greater middle east?
Military Juntas are the preferred form of population subjugation and they are financed by American 'Aid'. 1.5 billion per year flows into Egyptian coffers in the form of 'aid. Even after a brutal military coup Obama's administration kept the 'aid' flowing in for 'stability' in the region. That means 'control' of the Suez and to hold back the potential rebellion of the subjugated population. Particularly as the general population in Egypt, much like the greater middle east, despise Israel, Americas biggest and key ally in the region. Stability in Egypt is so important for America that Egypt is the country that has received their second largest regular donations of 'Aid' since 1948, after Israel.
Go here ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...id-heres-what-it-does/?utm_term=.2d58875cc0a4
...to get a better understanding of how much 'aid' is spread through the area that supports corrupt governments and brutal regimes in the wider middle east.

The problem can be inundated with as much complication as you wish. Throw in the Sunni / Shi'ite religious factions. Throw in different countries flags. Throw in different cultures and languages...
The problem still remains simple at the core.
The middle east is oil rich and the control of trade in the Suez is vital to the easy flow of oil/money.
In order to control the the flow of money from the Persian Gulf (where the US 5th fleet is parked up in perpetuity since 1990, why do you think that is?)
A small portion of the money flow is redirected to provide 'Aid' and 'stability' to the countries that might cause 'issues' in the ongoing flow of money and potentially baulk the advancement of geo-political hegemony.
The suppression of the regional populations is what provides the 'ground' for the development of radicalism.
The ongoing atrocities against the civilian populations in the wider region makes the 'ground' fertile.
It is simple.

How about the 9/11 attackers?
Poor oppressed people from bleak back grounds or rich, comfortable well educated kids from good families? Osama Bin Laden? Poor downtrodden person or spoilt little rich boy? Also how many drone attacks were happening when 9/11 happened?

Osama bin Laden is well documented. Like Saddam Hussein and a trail of others, he started as a friend of the west... then he saw the bigger picture, and made his own unfortunate decisions.


It's not a simple problem, the whole of the middle east is a four way power play and to say all terrorism is because of X Y or Z is frankly daft.

Daft ... really...

Show me your complex problem then, and I will systematically break it down in a few short paragraphs.
Read a bit of Chomsky, very hard to argue against a brilliant mind like his when he puts the simple playing pieces into position.
Read Jared Diamond, another astute American writer, or his Israeli protege Yuval Harari, a sharp young mind writing out of a little town west of Jerusalem.
Perspectives arrived at by clarity of thought and historical fact.

The problem is fundamentally simple.
You can get lost in the tangled web of spurious media if you 'choose' to but the myriad of stories all lead back to the same scenario.
Oppression and subjugation of regional populations (for the exploitation of their mineral resources and geo-political hegemony) will create an environment rich for rebellion from said populations. Powerful military threat (US 5th fleet and Israel) and the use of 'Aid' (usually in the form of hard currency and military hardware) to maintain 'stability' are the necessary means by which 'control' of the mission will be maintained.
Here is a study case. In 1998 in between the 1st and second gulf wars Bill Clintons administration launched a 4 day 'terror attack' on Iraq.
A country that the US and NATO were not at war with.
It was before the use of drones, it was before 9/11, so the weapons of choice were Tomahawk Cruise missiles but conventional weapons were also used.
I quote...
"By 19 December, U.S. and British aircraft had struck 97 targets, and Secretary of Defense William Cohen claimed the operation was a success.
Supported by Secretary Cohen, as well as United States Central Command commander General Anthony C. Zinni and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Henry H. Shelton, President Bill Clinton declared "victory" in Operation Desert Fox. In total, the 70-hour campaign saw U.S. forces strike 85 percent of their targets, 75 percent of which were considered "highly effective" strikes. More than 600 sorties were flown by more than 300 combat and support aircraft, and 600 air dropped munitions were employed, including 90 air-launched cruise missiles and 325 Tomahawk land attack missiles (TLAM). Operation Desert Fox inflicted serious damage to Iraq's missile development program, although its effects on any WMD program were not clear. Nevertheless, Operation Desert Fox was the largest strike against Iraq since the early 1990s Persian Gulf War, until the commencement of Operation Iraqi Freedom."

So 15% of the strikes against the city of Baghdad missed. Where do you think those landed?
Among the population rich areas of city surrounding the targeted areas?
This is exactly how you anger a population. By indiscriminately murdering their families , relatives and friends.
This is how you create the fertile grounds for the radicalisation of young minds exactly like that of the Tunisian terrorist you mentioned.
The answer is staring us in the face.
If you want to stop terrorism, stop committing terrorism against militarily weaker nations.

Civilian casualties among our western populations from acts of 'terrorism, are considered to be acceptable collateral damage by the corporations that have the money to use effective lobbying groups.
Do you see where this is going?
The circle of violence continues well funded at the top level.

It's a simple problem when you examine it.
It's also more than a 4 way power play if you want to throw in more of the supporting countries, however, it doesn't matter how many ingredients you choose to bring into play, the problem remains simple.
 
USA expels Russian diplomats due to alleged hacking (even though they have not produced any evidence), but Russia decides not to expel USA diplomats and instead Putin invites them to celebrate New Year in the Kremlin - checkmate to Russia
 
Russia have nothing to gain by getting involved in stuff like this, Trump is in office soon prob thinks it would be easier to just wait it out till his ally is in control.
 
Russia don't exactly have a good track record and have been throwing their weight around recently. What better way to stroke their power egos than to mess about in a US election? It's hardly as if the Russian state ever says anything truthful (see doping, Ukraine, Georgia, Crimea, Syria etc) and they have a long history of hacking (see Georgia, Ukraine). Putin may be playing it cool now but the CIA also have little to gain from making out the Russians were involved if they weren't. Remember the little green men in Crimea? I think this is the hacking equivalent. Russia just denies, denies and denies and once people in the west accept it (because for some reason we are hyper cynical about our own government but not with the Russians) Russia then admits they did it.
 
Russians hacking the US election ?
It seems that some folks have forgotten that Hilary was a deeply divisive candidate after her shafting of Bernie Sanders and Trump completely outplayed her on the television debates.
The Russians didn't win anything for Trump.
Hilary got smashed because she is a corrupt member of the establishment and the regular working guy wanted to see the back of her.
 
Russians hacking the US election ?
It seems that some folks have forgotten that Hilary was a deeply divisive candidate after her shafting of Bernie Sanders and Trump completely outplayed her on the television debates.
The Russians didn't win anything for Trump.
Hilary got smashed because she is a corrupt member of the establishment and the regular working guy wanted to see the back of her.

Wrong on so many levels:

1) Hillary's unpopularity has NOTHING to do with the validity of the claim that Russians interfered in the election
2) Russians have a history of hacking
3) Trump outplaying her in the TV debates? What are you on? You mean creepily hovering behind her while she spoke was a sound tactic? He did his usual of spewing incoherent rubbish with some buzzwords thrown in and the right wing lapped it up
4) Just like the Russians didn't invade Crimea, ask Putin.
5) Hillary didn't get "smashed" in fact she won the popular vote and this election has set a record for the largest difference between the person who won the presidency through the electoral college and the person who won the popular vote, the Bush-Al Gore election pales in comparison.
6) The regular working guy has nothing in common with Trump. He has a whole host of personality disorders and these will become abundantly obvious when his narcissism and thin skin cause diplomatic problems. Just watch.
 
It's mental how trump managed to advertise himself as the champion of the regular joe, when he's as 1% as 1%ers come

Even when he's trying to show he's worked hard for everything he's got he comes out with crap like "my dad have me a small loan of a million dollars"
 
Nah it was fairly easy for him he was the only one of the two to actually target them.

Clinton campaign avoided a lot of blue collar states, Her final grand showcase with all the celebs in New York sort of summed up her campaign.

Trump just had to market himself as a anti political and people ate that up.
 
Wrong on so many levels:

1) Hillary's unpopularity has NOTHING to do with the validity of the claim that Russians interfered in the election
2) Russians have a history of hacking
3) Trump outplaying her in the TV debates? What are you on? You mean creepily hovering behind her while she spoke was a sound tactic? He did his usual of spewing incoherent rubbish with some buzzwords thrown in and the right wing lapped it up
4) Just like the Russians didn't invade Crimea, ask Putin.
5) Hillary didn't get "smashed" in fact she won the popular vote and this election has set a record for the largest difference between the person who won the presidency through the electoral college and the person who won the popular vote, the Bush-Al Gore election pales in comparison.
6) The regular working guy has nothing in common with Trump. He has a whole host of personality disorders and these will become abundantly obvious when his narcissism and thin skin cause diplomatic problems. Just watch.

The regular working guy and trump both have dicks. That was enough to sway them over that "nasty woman."
 
1) Hillary's unpopularity has NOTHING to do with the validity of the claim that Russians interfered in the election

Clinton's unpopularity is down to the Democrats shafting Sanders and her awful campaign and inability to connect with the 'lower classes'

2) Russians have a history of hacking

That might be true, but were is the evidence to support this claim that they hacked to help Trump win the election? The owner of Wikileaks has already confirmed no Russia involvement and that it was a Democrat party member which is ultimately more damaging for Clinton (and my belief why they are trying to blame Russia for their awful campaign).

3) Trump outplaying her in the TV debates? What are you on? You mean creepily hovering behind her while she spoke was a sound tactic? He did his usual of spewing incoherent rubbish with some buzzwords thrown in and the right wing lapped it up

I watch every TV and must agree Trump didn't outplay her, but overall he had the upper hand.

4) Just like the Russians didn't invade Crimea, ask Putin.

Crimea voted to join Russia - no invasion.
 
Yeah a vote after an invasion to join is still an invasion in the first place.
 
Yeah a vote after an invasion to join is still an invasion in the first place.

Evidence for the invasion? Links? Videos of surpressed citizens? Syrians in East Aleppo were able to upload videos of them during the 'invasion' of the Syrian Army (even though internet was virtually unavailable), yet none from Crimea during your suggested invasion.
 
I suggest you look up the definition of an invasion.

1An instance of invading a country or region with an armed force

Now was Crimea part of the Ukraine and Russia a foreign power. Nothing you describe is part of an invasion.
 
Clinton's unpopularity is down to the Democrats shafting Sanders and her awful campaign and inability to connect with the 'lower classes'



That might be true, but were is the evidence to support this claim that they hacked to help Trump win the election? The owner of Wikileaks has already confirmed no Russia involvement and that it was a Democrat party member which is ultimately more damaging for Clinton (and my belief why they are trying to blame Russia for their awful campaign).



I watch every TV and must agree Trump didn't outplay her, but overall he had the upper hand.



Crimea voted to join Russia - no invasion.

Again her unpopularity has nothing to do with the validity of the claim. You also conveniently ignore that Clinton WON the popular vote, ie she was still more popular than Trump. The system is what allowed Trump to win.

The owner of wikileaks doesn't know everything, he only know what he has access to. You say the Democrats did it to save face so how do you explain the fact the claim originated with the CIA and is supported by Republicans in Congress?

I watch every TV and must agree Trump didn't outplay her, but overall he had the upper hand.

Pretty easy when your supporters are so brainwashed they will applaud you admitting that you lied to them. Trump has openly stated his pledges were just rhetoric for the campaign and his supporters applauded that. Literally he could have pulled down his trousers and crapped on the stage and he'd still have the upper hand for a sizeable chunk of the population who would find some way to make out it was a good thing.

Crimea voted to join Russia - no invasion.

Seriously? You know Russia has admitted the unmarked soldiers in Crimea supporting the rebellion were Russian soldiers right? They denied it at the time with Putin calling them "little green men", how the **** can you not know this? Again it's the mentality of the Trump supporter, even when the guy you support tells you they ****ing lied, you still believe the lie! It's unbelievable. http://news.sky.com/story/putin-comes-clean-on-crimeas-little-green-men-10368423
 
Rage rancher you crack me up...

The Crimean peninsula has been Russian since 1783.
What language do they speak? Russian.
Whats the religion there? Russian orthodox?
Was a shot fired in anger at the re-annexation of the Crimean peninsula?
No.
Putin was not about to give up the warm water port of Sevastopol.

Wasn't it Britain and France who 'invaded' the Russian Crimea in the mid 1850's?
Giving rise to Lord Tennyson's 'Charge of the Light Brigade'?
Also where Florence Nightingale made her appearance.

As for Trump, he utterly crushed Hilary Clinton, how else could it be that the Republicans have their biggest majority across the board since the 1920's?
Hmmmm?
She was belted outta the park in a humiliating defeat.
Hilary Clinton has left the Democratic party in tatters.
 
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The system is what allowed Trump to win.

Correct.
He played by the rules and pandered to the crowd that counted and he got the critical electoral college votes. Thats how you win.
No amount of squabbling after the fact will change that.

I loved it when Trump grilled Hilary in the TV debate and said , "She's been negotiating in the middle east for 15 years, and we haven't won anything."
Thats a chunk of blue collar votes right there.
He followed up with , "How do you get £230 million dollars in your bank account when your salary as a politician is $130,000 a year for the last 15 years?"

They pointed at Trump for being sexist, which I'm confident he is, however, when you're husband has been shagging young interns in the white house, and you stood by him and accepted it, you don't have a lot of defence. Then there was the array of women in the audience Trump had brought along to show how many women Bill and Hilary had paid off over the years for his sexual harassment antics.

She was an appalling candidate.

Trump is also a flawed candidate but he destroyed her and she had no comebacks because he was right.
Trump is also entertaining. Did you watch the Republican primaries when he squashed his opponents?

I reckon Bernie would have beaten Trump with the younger voters but putting up a corrupt establishment serving political hack like Hilary served him with an easy victory.


Pretty easy when your supporters are so brainwashed...

Now come on thats unfair, you're giving them a brain to wash in the first place...
All joking aside, Trump put himself as representing the disaffected masses, the only option in the election that 'looked' like he stands against the establishment. This wasn't an outright vote for Trump, it was more a vote of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Literally he could have pulled down his trousers and crapped on the stage and he'd still have the upper hand...

Why not?
It worked for Iggy (Poop) Pop and GG Allin
 
On the Russia Crimea thing...in 1938 the Germans were gearing up for war and found they were crucially short of tanks (they would be throughout the war). In neighboring Czechoslovakia the Skoda plant had built large quantities of decent quality tanks that would almost double the Germans tank strength. A large part of Czechoslovakia was German speaking/ethnically German so Hitler moved forces into these areas under the pretense that these "german peoples" wanted to be part of the Reich. After this he occupied the rest of the country and the following year Czech built Tanks were seen tearing though Poland.

The Russians didn't annex the Crimea because the people of the Crimea willed it. They did it because the Ukrainian Government had been ousted and they needed to keep a port in the Black sea and its easy to win an election when you have tanks parked outside someones house.
 
Rage rancher you crack me up...

The Crimean peninsula has been Russian since 1783.
What language do they speak? Russian.
Whats the religion there? Russian orthodox?
Was a shot fired in anger at the re-annexation of the Crimean peninsula?
No.
Putin was not about to give up the warm water port of Sevastopol.

Wasn't it Britain and France who 'invaded' the Russian Crimea in the mid 1850's?
Giving rise to Lord Tennyson's 'Charge of the Light Brigade'?
Also where Florence Nightingale made her appearance.

As for Trump, he utterly crushed Hilary Clinton, how else could it be that the Republicans have their biggest majority across the board since the 1920's?
Hmmmm?
She was belted outta the park in a humiliating defeat.
Hilary Clinton has left the Democratic party in tatters.

I suggest you do some research, the Crimean peninsula was added to the administrative region of Ukraine by the USSR. Your attempts to defend Russian aggression is just like, as someone else said, Hitler's arguments for his early annexations. Just in case you try, this isn't a Godwins law as the comparison is actually a valid one.

Tump didn't "crush" Hillary, do you even know how the system works? Theoretically you could win every state by 1 vote and get 100% of the Congressmen. If you want an example, compare UKIP to the SNP in Britain. UKIP got 12.6% of the popular vote to the SNPs 4.7%. UKIP got 1 MP, SNP got 56. Would you say the SNP "crushed" UKIP? Of course not, you'd have to have a terrible grasp of maths to say that was the case. What happened was SNP support was concentrated in a few seats resulting in them winning them whilst UKIP support was wide spread and thus they only won in 1 constituency. So despite getting FAR more votes, UKIP got less seats because of the way the system is set up. UKIP required 150 times as many voters as the SNP to obtain 1 seat. The same with Trump, he lost the popular vote but won because of the way the system is geared up. Also the largest Republican majority since 1920? 1988, 1984, 1980... Yeah I can't be bothered to list all the years in between where that actually had larger majorities.

Trump is also a flawed candidate but he destroyed her and she had no comebacks because he was right.

You have a strange definition of "right". Barely anything he said was factually true, he lied through his teeth. The Clintons didn't get wealthy from their salaries just like Obama hasn't. In fact no world leader does but to then assume corruption is ridiculous, all world leaders earn the majority of their earning outside their salaries but through legitimate means. This can include talks, books, parties etc where people pay good money. What's right is that Trump certainly didn't earn his wealth. It's been found that if he took all the wealth he inherited, put it in the leading 100 shares and then spent the rest of his life fingering himself whilst going "i'm smart", he'd be richer than he is now. He has successfully bankrupted a load of his businesses but had a guy who made sure that he came off better financially from the bankrupting. That is bordering on illegal, possibly is illegal. You know where that guy is now? Trump has made him ambassador to Israel. Hell the guy bankrupted a CASINO, that's how good his business management is. He is a **** businessman who had enough money at the start to buy people who aren't **** who can cover up for most of his blunders. You think his presidency is going to be any different? To claim Trump somehow isn't corrupt is laughable.
 
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