A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

What I found ridiculous is how people act like Trump is some shrewd operator pitching up on the feeling of the populace as a whole and cleverly manipulating then rather than an impulsive lunatic who acts without thinking, has no filter and, for god knows what reason, people have decided they want.

If he's not a shrewd political operator (he's not), it doesn't say much about the Dems campaign tbh. Rogan was pretty much a Bernie supporter and Musk was once a Biden voter i believe. He flipped them, no idea how but it made a difference.

His media team were shrewd. They pretty much ignored mainstream news and went for podcasts and had the backing of Twitter. Most of the big billionaires other than Gates didn't want to upset him. Business first, morals second.

 

[ncurd]

Biden still would've been a far better president. But then, so would've one of the turds I dropped this morning.

That will get get no arguement from me I'm voting for this guy.

 

[General Melchett]

Biden still would've been a far better president. But then, so would've one of the turds I dropped this morning.

Fiji got you worried already?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Republicans have figured out that the presidency is just a tool to implement their policies.

Democrats still think they have the right to just appoint who they feel deserves to be president.

This loss is on the DNC. End of.

 

[ncurd]

Republicans have figured out that the presidency is just a tool to implement their policies.

Democrats still think they have the right to just appoint who they feel deserves to be president.

This loss is on the DNC. End of.

I'm unsure theres a scenario they do win. If the majority of American's think economically they are worse off with Biden over Trump you've got a mountain to climb. And you're in charge of the apparatus.

Its why Sunak couldn't move the dial over here.

Put it this way what can a candidate do when theres a 4% swing? And what looks like higher voter turnout...

 

[Saintjay]

The Dems seem obsessed over Clinton and the Obama's playing king maker. No idea if there's a better way.

A think like here with Bojo, and in Germany \ France and again in the US. Parties need to understand how to beat populism because it's working for the right wing parties.

Germany is all over the place at the moment and if they don't get it together. Europe, Nato and Ukraine have even more of a problem

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

I'm unsure theres a scenario they do win. If the majority of American's think economically they are worse off with Biden over Trump you've got a mountain to climb. And you're in charge of the apparatus.

Its why Sunak couldn't move the dial over here.

Put it this way what can a candidate do when theres a 4% swing? And what looks like higher voter turnout...

That's the issue they don't build organic candidates. In 2004 it was obvious to 10 year old me that Obama would be the next president after the DNC cause he had the charisma.

The DNC haven't put the work in to discover and then build a candidate since then.

 

[ncurd]

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I feel like indifference is going to be a big factor,
I reckon turnout is going to be way lower than last time, the amount of "they're as bad as each other" feels way up and the number of militant Trumpists are what will carry him through

Obv still some votes to come but as it stands Trump has 2m fewer votes than 2020 and Harris has 14m less than Biden

 

[Welsh Exile]

Fiji got you worried already?

Reckon we'll win.

* opens second bottle of vodka.

 

[ncurd]

Obv still some votes to come but as it stands Trump has 2m fewer votes than 2020 and Harris has 14m less than Biden

Assuming even spread at 87% reporting (according to wikipedia)

Trump will end up with 83.5 Million votes so 1.5 more than Biden
And Harris 78.1 Million so 4 Million more than Trump

66% of population was 158 million last election so 240million of 335 is votking population so 71.4%
Current population is 341, so 243 million potential voters.

So 66.5% turnout not including 3rd party votes which made up 1.5% last time.

So turnout has gone up and swung massively towards Trump.

 

[McTallshort]

That's the issue they don't build organic candidates. In 2004 it was obvious to 10 year old me that Obama would be the next president after the DNC cause he had the charisma.

The DNC haven't put the work in to discover and then build a candidate since then.

The plan was always 8 years of Hillary after Obama but Trump came along and screwed it up for them.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Assuming even spread at 87% reporting (according to wikipedia)

Trump will end up with 83.5 Million votes so 1.5 more than Biden
And Harris 78.1 Million so 4 Million more than Trump

66% of population was 158 million last election so 240million of 335 is votking population so 71.4%
Current population is 341, so 243 million potential voters.

So 66.5% turnout not including 3rd party votes which made up 1.5% last time.

So turnout has gone up and swung massively towards Trump.

Hadn't realised there was that much left tbf,
ignore me then

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62l50z4xq9t
US election live updates: Biden vows 'peaceful and orderly transition' after Trump's election win - BBC News

Again it's one side saying to bring the temperature down, one side ensuring a peaceful transfer of power.

Notice how, as Trump won, the Republicans are not progressing their claims of fraud? If they actually had evidence fraud was happening, they would have progressed with the court cases regardless of the result.

It's almost like it was all bullshit, not that those in the far right care to think that much about it.

 

[Amiga500]

Parties need to understand how to beat populism because it's working for the right wing parties.

Germany is all over the place at the moment and if they don't get it together. Europe, Nato and Ukraine have even more of a problem

Just more evidence that the latest fad in governance, representative democracy, is a load of shite really.

Look how stupid the average person is... then realise there is another 1/2 of the population below that!


... and similar to the monarchies of the middle ages, those in the trappings of power won't be keen to examine better systems for replacing themselves with.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

R/nbacirclejerk providing the most accurate political commentary

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I'm done with American politics after this election. Disgusting from American electorate to
Re-elect that Orange despot. This time the c.70m know what they are voting for.

 

[The Seeker]

Orange Man actually did this.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

JD Vance says US could veto NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms

Republican vice presidential nominee says ‘Germans and other nations’ – not Russia – would ‘have to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction’

www.independent.co.uk

Who could've seen this coming?

 

[Amiga500]

Some cheek on Pelosi (age 84) dumping all the blame on Biden without reflecting on the need for her and Dems like her of advanced age to let a new generation through to obtain the media profile necessary.

[Not saying they necessarily have to quit - but they do have to step away from the top jobs]