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Yeah a lot of that is fair. I think Isreal's conduct and expansion into the West Bank is indefensible and as I say any peace talks in the future will have to include Isreal pulling out of the West Bank entirely.Both sides are at fault but the fact remains, Israel are the ones with the power and at least claiming to be a modern society. Hamas are at fault for frequent acts of terrorism and definitely do use civilians as human shields to try to protect themselves from retaliation. However this is too often framed as Hamas does something, Israel reacts, everyone gets angry, it settles down after Israel have blown up lots of stuff and then nothing until the next Hamas attack. It ignores that in between these big events, Hamas constantly launch much smaller attacks and Israel is constantly persecuting people in the west bank, driving thousands from their homes and allowing "settlers" to literally get away with murder as they constantly steal land from the locals. This last bit is glossed over all the time but Israel has overseen the forces displacement and murder of 10's of thousands of Gazans and people in the west bank during the periods in which nothing is reported. They are not just the victims they try to pretend they are.
In the past Israel has violated the security of western countries, including their agents setting off a bomb in a western nation to kill an "enemy of Israel" with zero regard for collateral damage. This was sponsored by the state. Nothing suggests they would not do this again at the drop of a hat. Innocents were routinely killed as Mossad were more than happy to use bombs in public places for their assassinations.
I just think Hamas are a special breed of scum to be honest. They're cowardly and if you put them up against the ANC or the IRA there's no comparison. It's like night and day. Sure the IRA and ANC targeted civilians but no where near as much as military targets and at the end of the day Hamas entire remit is kill civilians, their own ones included. This is an important distinction, for me anyway.